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« on: August 03, 2004, 10:21:55 pm »
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The media doesn't report much on his plans, and are often innaccurate, so read this for yourself.
http://www.johnkerry.com/plan/
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« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2004, 10:23:42 pm »
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The media doesn't report much on his plans,

Yeah they are too busy covering every single one of his campaign stops.
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« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2004, 10:26:24 pm »
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The media doesn't report much on his plans,

Yeah they are too busy covering every single one of his campaign stops.

Umm, no.
The media has tended to cover Bush 4 times as much as Kerry.
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« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2004, 10:36:33 pm »
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The media doesn't report much on his plans,

Yeah they are too busy covering every single one of his campaign stops.

Umm, no.
The media has tended to cover Bush 4 times as much as Kerry.

You must be kidding. Even after the week long convention coverage, Kerry has been covered MUCH more than Bush.
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« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2004, 10:41:27 pm »
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The media doesn't report much on his plans,

Yeah they are too busy covering every single one of his campaign stops.

Umm, no.
The media has tended to cover Bush 4 times as much as Kerry.

You must be kidding. Even after the week long convention coverage, Kerry has been covered MUCH more than Bush.

Here's the link.
http://www.tblog.com/templates/index.php?bid=CheckItOut&static=241195

No wonder a lot of people say they don't know enough about John Kerry.
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« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2004, 10:55:50 pm »
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Allow me to make translation of the Kerry-speak used here.

1) "Launch and lead a new era of alliances"

Suck up to France, Germany, etc. by offering reconstruction contracts so they will send troops

2)Modernize The World's Most Powerful Military To Meet New Threats.

Raise taxes and buy new military equipment, contrary to my record, because it will help me win.

3)Deploy All That Is In America's Arsenal

Do exactly what Bush has been doing. Only make the agencies bigger.

4)Free America From Its Dangerous Dependence On Mideast Oil

I have no problem with this other then all the oil we need to release us from ME oil dependency is sitting in something like less than 1% of the ANWR.

5)Reward Companies that Create Jobs in America

Good plan, but will it really have an impact. I need Facts.

6)Strengthen the Middle Class

Higher college costs and gas prices are not Bush's fault.
College costs will continue to go up forever.
I also have a problem with the "cutting taxes" line.
John Kerry will not cut Middle class taxation.  He will not.

7)Invest in the Jobs of the Future

This is a good plan if it can be implemented.  But 16,000 tax credit for 4 years of college.  This is crazy.  More tax law. Do you want to save taxpayers money, simplify the tax code, don't make it bigger.
Immigration laws is where I split from Bush.  Our borders w/ Mexico should be guarded by the national  guard to stop illegals from entering our country.

8)Restore Fiscal Discipline to Washington

The will cut the deficet in half by raising taxes, and not just on the rich, but on the middle class to.

9)Up to $1,000 of Health Care Premium Relief

My tax dollars at work, UHHHH

10)A Health Plan for Every Child

Socilized health care system ala France,Canada, etc.

11)Manage Skyrocketing Health Care Costs

John Edwards and his ilk are a major reason for health care costs.  The only way to manage this problem is to put a cap on awards in malpractice suits.
I live in one of the worst hit areas of the country.  Half of the doctors in our area have had to leave because of rising insurance costs.

12)World Class Education

You cannot fix education shortfalls by throwing more money at them.  You start at the roots, cleaning up our culture, training better teachers, and increasing parental involvement in school.

13)Every Classroom Has a Great Teacher

Why should different teachers make more according to what subject they teach?Huh If you want to fix bad teachers, train them better and weed out the ones who aren't up to speed and retrain them.

14)Every Young Person Graduates

School vouchers will solve these problems by giving parents a choice over where to send their children.

Well that about wraps up the John-John plan for America.
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« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2004, 10:55:57 pm »
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LOL.  I wonder if this plan has anything to do with Edwards' plan, which was the only extensive and specific and comprehensive plan presented by any Democrat who ran in '04.
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« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2004, 10:57:27 pm »
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LOL.  I wonder if this plan has anything to do with Edwards' plan, which was the only extensive and specific and comprehensive plan presented by any Democrat who ran in '04.

It's got some Edwards stuff in it.
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« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2004, 10:58:35 pm »
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Real, real reputable source.
the Anti Neo-Conservative Blog.
Sure they don't have an agenda?
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« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2004, 10:58:52 pm »
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I have no problem with this other then all the oil we need to release us from ME oil dependency is sitting in something like less than 1% of the ANWR.


Exactly! Every single time Kerry talks about dependence on foreign oil, all I can do is laugh.
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« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2004, 10:58:52 pm »
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Kerry is only raising taxes on people who make more than $200,000 a year. If you make less than that, your taxes might decrease under Kerry.
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« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2004, 11:00:39 pm »
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I have no problem with this other then all the oil we need to release us from ME oil dependency is sitting in something like less than 1% of the ANWR.


Exactly! Every single time Kerry talks about dependence on foreign oil, all I can do is laugh.

ANWR wouldn't make much difference.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4542853/
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« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2004, 11:03:22 pm »
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even if it did, we're still running on fossil fuels which will eventually run out, and most of it comes from the middle east, and that can make for not the best foreign policy.
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« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2004, 11:04:05 pm »
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Malpractice premiums are responsible for under 1% of health care costs. And some doctors do crazy things like intentionally murder patients.
http://democrats.senate.gov/~dpc/pubs/108-1-023.html
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« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2004, 11:05:22 pm »
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even if it did, we're still running on fossil fuels which will eventually run out, and most of it comes from the middle east, and that can make for not the best foreign policy.
Yep.
Production/Demand has already peaked.
If Production hasn't yet peaked, it will soon.
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« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2004, 11:25:39 pm »
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I have no problem with this other then all the oil we need to release us from ME oil dependency is sitting in something like less than 1% of the ANWR.


Exactly! Every single time Kerry talks about dependence on foreign oil, all I can do is laugh.

I support drilling every last drop out of ANWR but it doesn't close to the Mid-East.
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« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2004, 11:26:45 pm »
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Kerry is only raising taxes on people who make more than $200,000 a year. If you make less than that, your taxes might decrease under Kerry.

Wasn't that Bill Clinton's line?
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« Reply #17 on: August 03, 2004, 11:40:53 pm »
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Malpractice premiums are responsible for under 1% of health care costs. And some doctors do crazy things like intentionally murder patients.
http://democrats.senate.gov/~dpc/pubs/108-1-023.html

Nice distortion of facts!  While it is true that malpractice costs equal 1% of health care expenditures, their impact on premiums is much greater.

No doctor pays malpractice settlements themselves, they hire insurance companies to do it.  Those insurance companies charge the doctor a premium (in California, its about $10,000 per year, and that's below the national average) and this cost is passed onto consumers.  This cost is also greater than the value of court settlements.  Court settlements may only equal 1% of premiums, but the cost of medical malpractice insurance is much greater.  The doctor pays a premium that must ultimately cover not only the insurance payout, but also the operating cost of an insurance business and leave some extra for insurance company profits.

In short, jfern's stats are bunk.
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« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2004, 01:29:29 am »
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The media doesn't report much on his plans,

Yeah they are too busy covering every single one of his campaign stops.

Umm, no.
The media has tended to cover Bush 4 times as much as Kerry.

Could this possibly be because Bush is the President and he is acctually making policy?

Not only that, but lack of coverage may acctually be helping Kerry.
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« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2004, 01:34:48 am »
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The media doesn't report much on his plans,

Yeah they are too busy covering every single one of his campaign stops.

Umm, no.
The media has tended to cover Bush 4 times as much as Kerry.

Could this possibly be because Bush is the President and he is acctually making policy?

Not only that, but lack of coverage may acctually be helping Kerry.

The media and the Republicans don't want this to be a discussion of the issues. Amoung people who said issues are the most important, Gore won 55-40.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/epolls/US/P000.html
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« Reply #20 on: August 04, 2004, 02:04:26 am »
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The media doesn't report much on his plans,

Yeah they are too busy covering every single one of his campaign stops.

Umm, no.
The media has tended to cover Bush 4 times as much as Kerry.

Could this possibly be because Bush is the President and he is acctually making policy?

Not only that, but lack of coverage may acctually be helping Kerry.

The media and the Republicans don't want this to be a discussion of the issues. Amoung people who said issues are the most important, Gore won 55-40.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/epolls/US/P000.html


Have you ever heard of a "wonk"?

It is true that those people who are one issue voters usually side with the Democrats.  Most people who will say that "issues are most important" have one issue in particular in mind.  Some people think that strong leadership is important.  It is not that these people don;t care about issues, as you are attempting to assert, they just aren't one issue types.  They usually want a leader who can get it done on a host of issues, not just abortion, welfare, etc.  In this election, those people seem to favor Bush.  That is just a reality.  
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« Reply #21 on: August 04, 2004, 03:13:02 am »
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The media doesn't report much on his plans,

Yeah they are too busy covering every single one of his campaign stops.

Umm, no.
The media has tended to cover Bush 4 times as much as Kerry.

Could this possibly be because Bush is the President and he is acctually making policy?

Not only that, but lack of coverage may acctually be helping Kerry.

The media and the Republicans don't want this to be a discussion of the issues. Amoung people who said issues are the most important, Gore won 55-40.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/epolls/US/P000.html


Have you ever heard of a "wonk"?

It is true that those people who are one issue voters usually side with the Democrats.  Most people who will say that "issues are most important" have one issue in particular in mind.  Some people think that strong leadership is important.  It is not that these people don;t care about issues, as you are attempting to assert, they just aren't one issue types.  They usually want a leader who can get it done on a host of issues, not just abortion, welfare, etc.  In this election, those people seem to favor Bush.  That is just a reality.  

That's bullsh**t. Democrats care about more than 1 issue.
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« Reply #22 on: August 04, 2004, 03:20:22 am »
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Here is some humor you might find appropriate:

A powerful senator dies after a prolonged illness. His soul arrives in
heaven and is met by St. Peter at the entrance.
 
"Welcome to Heaven," says St. Peter. "Before you settle in, it seems there is a problem. We seldom see a high official around these parts, you see, so we're not sure what to do with you."
 
"No problem, just let me in," says the guy.
 
"Well, I'd like to but I have orders from higher up. What we'll do is have
you  spend one day in Hell and one in Heaven. Then you can choose where to spend eternity."
 
"Really, I've made up my mind. I want to be in Heaven," says the senator.
 
"I'm sorry but we have our rules."
 
And with that, St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down,
down, down to Hell. The doors open and he finds himself in the middle of a green golf course. In the distance is a club and standing in front of it are all his friends and other politicians who had worked with him, everyone is very happy and in evening attire. They run to greet him, hug him, and reminisce about the good times they had while getting rich at the expense of the people. They play a friendly game of golf and then dine on lobster and caviar. Also present is the Devil, who really is a very friendly guy who has a good time dancing and telling jokes. They are having such a good time that before he realizes it, it  is time to go. Everyone gives him a big hug and waves while the elevator rises.
 
The elevator goes up, up, up and the door reopens on Heaven where St. Peter is waiting for him.
 
"Now it's time to visit Heaven."
 
So 24 hours pass with the head of state joining a group of contented souls moving from cloud to cloud, playing the harp and singing. They have a good  time and, before he realizes it, the 24 hours have gone by and St. Peter returns.
 
"Well then, you've spent a day in Hell and another in Heaven. Now choose your eternity."
 
He reflects for a minute, then the senator answers, "Well, I would never have said it, I mean Heaven has been delightful, but I think I would be better off in Hell."
 
So St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to Hell. Now the doors of the elevator open and he is in the middle of a barren land covered with waste and garbage. He sees all his friends, dressed in rags, picking up the trash and putting it in black bags. The Devil comes over to him and lays his arm on his neck.
 
"I don't understand," stammers the senator. "Yesterday I was here and there  was a golf course and club and we ate lobster and caviar and danced and had a great time. Now all there is, is a wasteland full of garbage and my friends  look miserable.
 
The Devil looks at him, smiles and says, "Yesterday we were
campaigning...Today you voted for us!"                              
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