Open Borders Bill [Failed]

[Verily]

Open Borders Bill

1. F.L. 14-3, Return to Normalcy Act, is repealed.
2. F.L. 18-8, Illegal Immigrant Act, Section 2, Clause 1 is amended to read: "Any illegal alien who has not been convicted of terrorism charges (military tribunal convictions notwithstanding), nor has been convicted of an offence and sentenced to a term of imprisonment greater than 5 years in duration, may apply for citizenship one month after the passage of this act."
3. F.L. 19-1, Immigration Reform Act of 2007, Sections 14, 15, and 17 are repealed.
4. No person shall be denied access to social programs, including public education, on the basis of citizenship status.

Sponsor: Ebowed

[Sensei]

I think "greater than 5 years" in the second item is too lax. Maybe 1 year or something like that.

[Small Business Owner of Any Repute]

Okay, I'll bite: What does abolishing the metric system have to do with a bill dealing with illegal immigration?

[Ebowed]

Okay, I'll bite: What does abolishing the metric system have to do with a bill dealing with illegal immigration?

The bill's official purpose is encouraging open borders, not dealing with illegal immigration specifically.  One way to promote open borders is using a measurement system that the rest of the world uses.

I believe the US is one of three nations on earth not to have the metric system, or something insane like that.

I think "greater than 5 years" in the second item is too lax. Maybe 1 year or something like that.

The current stipulation is 1 year.  I would be okay with increasing it to 2 instead of 5 but I feel that the 1 year limit might exclude people over petty crimes like drug or prostitution offenses, depending on the leniency of the place they were sentenced.

I motion to add a friendly amendment, BTW:

"5. The ban on HIV-positive persons applying for citizenship is repealed."

[Small Business Owner of Any Repute]

I have a feeling we're going to wind up voting on this bill piece by piece.

No objection to the the friendly amendment, but I will motion to amend section four as follows:

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Opening up the welfare system to people here illegally is ill advised.  Our population could quadruple overnight because of third worlders seeking "free money."

Our safety net programs have a place, but lets require people to actually be Atlasian before they can take advantage of the generosity of Atlasian tax payers.

(I can agree to allowing access to public education and emergency medical care because these things benefit the community as a whole, both illegal and those living among them.)

[Speed of Sound]

I am happy with most of the bill, but would like to propose the following amendment to section three:

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[Ebowed]

I am happy with most of the bill, but would like to propose the following amendment to section three:

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Why?  If someone served in the military, they shouldn't have to pay naturalization fees.

[Speed of Sound]

I am happy with most of the bill, but would like to propose the following amendment to section three:

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Why?  If someone served in the military, they shouldn't have to pay naturalization fees.

All that is is an attempt to recruit the poor, and you should know that, Ebowed, unless I am mistaken in the idea behind this.

[Ebowed]

I disagree with military recruitment of immigrants, but I don't disagree with giving them benefits after the fact (that is, now that they've served in the military, they do deserve compensation).

[Speed of Sound]

I disagree with military recruitment of immigrants, but I don't disagree with giving them benefits after the fact (that is, now that they've served in the military, they do deserve compensation).

True, but that should be given to anyone who gives to this country, no matter the occupation, not being biased towards the military.

[Ebowed]

I disagree with military recruitment of immigrants, but I don't disagree with giving them benefits after the fact (that is, now that they've served in the military, they do deserve compensation).

True, but that should be given to anyone who gives to this country, no matter the occupation, not being biased towards the military.

Well I definitely agree there.

[Speed of Sound]

Perhaps an amendment to have fees optionally taken from their salary? (With bonus reductions, if it is more accepted)

[Speed of Sound]

Id like to amend my amendment to say:

3. F.L. 19-1, Immigration Reform Act of 2007, Sections 14, 15 and 17 are repealed.

5. Immigrants may have their immigration fees taken out of their paycheck each pay period. Doing so wil give them a 33% decrease on their immigration fees. In order to qualify for hte decrease, one must sign upo to have at least 50% of their fees taken out of their paycheck in consistent pay periods.

[Verily]

The friendly amendment passes without objections.

We are now voting on the following amendment:

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Please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

[Verily]

Aye

[Ebowed]

Nay

Then again, I consider preventative health care to be an emergency, since I'd rather people learn about their sicknesses when they still have the chance to get better.

[Speed of Sound]

Nay

[Sensei]

aye

[Hatman 🍁]

aye

[Brandon H]

Aye

[Small Business Owner of Any Repute]

Aye.

[afleitch]

Abstain

[Verily]

Result on Moderate's Amendment
Aye: 5 (Verily; Sensei; Earl; Brandon; Moderate)
Nay: 2 (Ebowed; SoS)
Abstain [Voted]: 1 (afleitch)
Abstain [Didn't vote]: 2 (Friz; Sam)

With five in favor and one declared abstention, the amendment passes.

We are now voting on the following amendment:

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Please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

[Speed of Sound]

Aye

[Sensei]

aye