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  Which country has more freedom? (search mode)
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Author Topic: Which country has more freedom?  (Read 8252 times)
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« on: November 22, 2007, 09:14:09 PM »

B w/o a doubt.  The key is government sanctioned and taxes.  Country B not only maintains individual economic freedom, but it does not restrict business.  The government is doing nothing to restrict freedom.

I would say that corporations intruding into my privacy and my freedom is even worse than government intruding into my privacy and my freedom.
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« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2007, 04:06:16 PM »


Either they have equal freedom or one is freer than the other.  You can't answer an either/or question with "neither."  It doesn't make sense.

Neither does the question.

How doesn't it?

It's an interpretive question, Bono. What do you interpret freedom to be?

Then why didn't he ask that instead of giving a loaded question?

How is it loaded? Which country do you feel is more free. Based on what I've learned about you, you're likely to believe B is, and that's fine. Just say it.

Because it's a false dichotomy.

That's the whole point; I can't imagine anyone would choose either of these to a less extreme version. Choose which one is less bad.
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« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2007, 10:42:47 PM »


Either they have equal freedom or one is freer than the other.  You can't answer an either/or question with "neither."  It doesn't make sense.

Neither does the question.

How doesn't it?

It's an interpretive question, Bono. What do you interpret freedom to be?

Then why didn't he ask that instead of giving a loaded question?

How is it loaded? Which country do you feel is more free. Based on what I've learned about you, you're likely to believe B is, and that's fine. Just say it.

Because it's a false dichotomy.

That's the whole point; I can't imagine anyone would choose either of these to a less extreme version. Choose which one is less bad.

But you're talking about ideal choices which would be in between. But my choice is orthogonal to these two, not a middle point.

You're missing the point, intentionally so as to show how "special" you are. The question is presenting a dichotomy. There are two choices. Yes, dichotomies are rare in real life, and you should not have to choose between the two. That does not mean that you cannot answer the question.

And, of course, your fantasy world does, indeed, lie between these two points (or, rather, pretty much exactly at point B), but you'd rather not admit it.
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« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2007, 12:36:48 PM »

Neither are free enough, but B is more free.

That would be correct. But what if what the corporations find out about you could be used to prosecute you without a warrant?
But that wasn't the question.  Still B though because you don't HAVE to do business with companies that gather, sell and trade your info.

Well, okay, but the absolute demand of "freedom for the sake of freedom" is not really any better than others and probably worse. I like freedom, but I am willing to see where small compromises are a better idea. And don't come back at me with a Ben Franklin quote; the Founders were well aware of the Social Contract.
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