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Question: What's the best thing that Israel has done for America?
Attacking the USS Liberty, killing 34 Americans   -21 (63.6%)
Other   -12 (36.4%)
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« Reply #25 on: May 23, 2015, 11:16:21 pm »
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But it is. The reason for this law being passed is very simple, which is that because of the nature of Jewish settlement in the West Bank, where Jews go in and form new communities rather than joining the existing ones, because of those residents being hostile to their presence, Jews and Palestinians live in separate communities in the West Bank, so buses carrying just Jews or just Palestinians would travel to fewer destinations and be more convenient for both groups, while buses carrying both groups would increase the length of the typical trip. It's not about being unwilling to share a bus with the other group (indeed, sharing buses among different groups of Jews within Israel has proven to be much more contentious).

I have not seen such an eloquent defence of the Nuremberg Laws in a long time.
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« Reply #26 on: May 24, 2015, 03:40:53 pm »
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The thing that Israel did best for America is the one that she did best for all peoples. Being the people from whom the Messiah Jesus came. As much as many have avoided the Jesus card, it's one that can't be neglected.
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« Reply #27 on: May 24, 2015, 03:58:08 pm »
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While I don't mind people criticizing Israel's actions, I don't think we should be deciding foreign policy based on "what can this country do for us?" at least not entirely. It's pretty clear brutal dictatorships in Central America could do a lot for us in terms of business, that doesn't mean we were right to support them over democratically elected governments.
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« Reply #28 on: May 26, 2015, 10:52:49 am »
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It's pretty clear brutal dictatorships in Central America could do a lot for us in terms of business, that doesn't mean we were right to support them over democratically elected governments.

Although the conservative counter-argument might be "it's better to have a brutal dictatorship on our side than any government on the USSR's side".
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« Reply #29 on: May 26, 2015, 04:24:31 pm »
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It's pretty clear brutal dictatorships in Central America could do a lot for us in terms of business, that doesn't mean we were right to support them over democratically elected governments.

Although the conservative counter-argument might be "it's better to have a brutal dictatorship on our side than any government on the USSR's side".

Actually, brutal dictatorships in CA can do exactly nothing for the US - even in terms of business. Costa Rica is a long-standing democracy - and is pretty good for business. El Salvador has been a lot better for business since it became a democracy than when it was (a civil-war-plagued) dictatorship. The only CA state at this point that is approaching dictatorship these days is Nicaragua, and it is a) extremely empoverished and b) only good for Chinese business, anyway.
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« Reply #30 on: May 26, 2015, 05:30:52 pm »
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A better question than what Israel has or has not done for America, when it comes to fashioning American foreign policy (which I assume is the motivation of Snowstalker's thread), is what would be the ultimate consequence of the US cutting Israel loose, to fend for itself, even if attacked, even if it risked another Jewish diaspora or mass killings with nukes being loosed in the chaos. Intelligent foreign policy looks as best it can as to the end game of the decisions made. It would have been nice if Dubya did that more before he embarked on his foreign policy adventures.
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