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« Reply #125 on: January 26, 2015, 05:21:37 am »
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Tsipras will be at the Presidential Palace at 3:30 PM local time (2 hours, 10 minutes from now) to officially announce cabinet and take office as PM

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« Reply #126 on: January 26, 2015, 06:24:59 am »
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Two important names leaked: Dragasakis as Deputy PM overlooking the finance & economy ministries and leading negotiations with the Eurozone and Yanis Varaufakis as finance minister.

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« Reply #127 on: January 26, 2015, 10:16:55 am »
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Tsipras's first act as Prime Minister: laying a wreath at a memorial where Nazis killed 200 Greeks

I'M SURE THIS IS NOT SYMBOLIC AT ALL
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« Reply #128 on: January 26, 2015, 10:32:50 am »
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Ha already sticking it to Golden Dawn.
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« Reply #129 on: January 26, 2015, 11:08:03 am »
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I don't follow the internal machinations of Greek political parties as much as I should, but with that being said: why haven't Syriza and KKE formed a coalition? Does KKE view Syriza as "neoliberal" et al?
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« Reply #130 on: January 26, 2015, 11:17:00 am »
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I don't follow the internal machinations of Greek political parties as much as I should, but with that being said: why haven't Syriza and KKE formed a coalition? Does KKE view Syriza as "neoliberal" et al?

"Traitors to the working class" etc.
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« Reply #131 on: January 26, 2015, 11:50:00 am »
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I don't follow the internal machinations of Greek political parties as much as I should, but with that being said: why haven't Syriza and KKE formed a coalition? Does KKE view Syriza as "neoliberal" et al?

"Traitors to the working class" etc.
Let's just say that Marxist-Leninsts and Left-wing Radicals have a "tense" relationship.
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« Reply #132 on: January 26, 2015, 11:50:38 am »
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Syriza was formed from people and factions that were expelled (at various different points over the decades) from the KKE for lacking sufficient ideological purity.
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« Reply #133 on: January 26, 2015, 12:41:27 pm »
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View the KKE as less of a "party" in the traditional sense, and more as just a statement.
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« Reply #134 on: January 26, 2015, 01:02:34 pm »
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Sounds like a fun government.

Any bets when early elections will occur? Maybe this summer? Tongue
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« Reply #135 on: January 26, 2015, 01:15:58 pm »
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Ha already sticking it to Golden Dawn.

Mostly to Merkel, I would think.
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« Reply #136 on: January 26, 2015, 11:34:51 pm »
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Sounds like a fun government.

Any bets when early elections will occur? Maybe this summer? Tongue

An early election isn't likely if the government breaks up because Syriza almost has a majority and will lose support after they start governing. You need a situation in which Syriza break up along factional lines and they start hating each other to the point where no cooperation is possible for an early election to make sense - which could happen of course, but is far from certain.

(a left wing breakaway from Syriza could very well remain neutral in votes of confidence if they still thought "Tsipras is better than the alternative")

Otherwise a Syriza-Anel breakdown just means a Syriza minority government with a new partner as tacit support or a new coalition.
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« Reply #137 on: January 27, 2015, 12:23:23 pm »
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So what, if anything, do we know about this Aristeidis Baltas character?

Also, was it expected that the new cabinet would be this much of a dudefest?
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« Reply #138 on: Today at 02:53:01 am »
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BK and I specifically advanced the SYRIZA blackmail theory of debt negotiations a while back. Turns out Dan Davies, a former BoE guy, got to that idea first and with much more detail.

Here's an argument: the only way SYRIZA can launch a massive stimulus program would be to drop out of the Eurozone, since every Greek government agency and bank will be squeezed out of the credit markets and the Europeans wouldn't keep funding. Ditto for any of their attempts to repatch the Greek labour system. The Greek government has been forced to keep a primary surplus, but that may not last very long as Greek tax revenues are already falling.

The only reasonable concessions I see SYRIZA getting is a lowering of the primary surplus to allow for a smoother transition in the crumbling health sector, and maybe some for migration policy. But that won't be enough for voters.
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