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tweed
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« on: April 23, 2015, 11:24:52 pm »
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I readily admit I'm not a middle east specialist... what I'm seeing is outrage on the left (Obama has drone-bombed Yemen to Hell for at least a few years now), and now the Saudis are dropping bombs?  the US is sending a fleet and an aircraft carrier??  the bourgeois center-left media is worried that this jeopardizes a potential Iran-USA nuclear deal?

can someone explain (ELI5) what's going on?
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« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2015, 11:27:27 pm »
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You summarized it basically correctly. What is confusing you?
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« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2015, 11:56:30 pm »
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You summarized it basically correctly. What is confusing you?

summaries serve their purpose.  I sleep til 5pm these days and watch too much sports, then I see the possibility of 100k refugees, Saudis dropping bombs (possibly?  potentially?) against US wishes.  would they dare do that?  wasn't the Iran deal the step forward toward "stability in the Middle East?"  now the center-left commercial media is all afraid that the Yemen thing could get im the way from an Iran nuclear deal, the US is playing brinkmanship and sending over a fleet, etc... basically trying to bait Shia Iran into action in support of the rebels which would throw the nuke deal out the window.

all I really understand about the whole thing is you get these ultra-fundamentalist Shia groups fighting established Sunni gov'ts the US feels they can work with.  Iran is troubleshome because it's Shia.  I don't really understand that part of the world, except it seems more and more like a circular fck-up, largely owing to the vacuum created by Western intervention (give the Soviets their 5-10% share of the blame here if it makes you feel better.  the rest is all on the USA)
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« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2015, 12:15:38 am »
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No, the United States is not responsible for the Sunni/Shiite divide. It existed many hundreds of years before the United States even existed.
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« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2015, 01:16:01 am »
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And in any case, Yemen isn't really Sunni/Shia.  It's much more a proxy war between Saudi and Irani interests.
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« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2015, 09:59:41 am »
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The Shias (who belong to another branch than Shias in Iran and Lebanon, who are also two different branches) of Yemen are very moderate in practice (as for in theory; well their slogan are "death to USA, death to Israel"), they have couped the government through a broad multi-religious northern tribal coalition. They're very hostile toward Al Quada. But they also claim some Saudi border areas, which SA occupied/leased in the 1930ties. They're also very hostile toward Wahhabism and Saudi preachers/missionaries. The government and the ones before have de facto been a Saudi vassal (even the old president who was a Shia).
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« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2015, 07:20:39 pm »
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And also the Saudis are mustering ground troops and preparing for a proper invasion.
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« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2015, 08:06:49 pm »
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And also the Saudis are mustering ground troops and preparing for a proper invasion.

you'd figure that'd be a strict no-no in the deal they've cut with the US.  unless, the US tacitly wants to expand the Saudi empire, and has given the go-ahead?
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« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2015, 08:46:18 pm »
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You've already decided you want to blame the US for what's going on. What's the point of even asking? I guess you just want people to back you up about how evil America is. Sorry, there is no obvious US angle behind this. The world does not revolve around us.

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