Australia General Discussion

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Do you want me to repost the post you got deleted or is the topic too sensitive for you to handle?

Two things.  First off, reposting deleted posts is a sure way to get infracted again, and often with more points than the first time.  Second of all, cool down.  As a general rule, people either argue with objectional posts, or they report them, but they seldom do both.

[afleitch]

Do you want me to repost the post you got deleted or is the topic too sensitive for you to handle?

Two things.  First off, reposting deleted posts is a sure way to get infracted again, and often with more points than the first time.  Second of all, cool down.  As a general rule, people either argue with objectional posts, or they report them, but they seldom do both.

This.

I don't care about what's being discussed. It has nothing to do with this thread at all. If someone is indeed pretending to be someone they are not on a forum (and there are probably a sizeable number of people like that on here anyway) I don't care unless it's a sock or a troll.

[Knives]

Labor is currently sorting out preselections for the NSW Upper House elections next year, and it's been reported that both Amanda Fazio and Helen Westwood, two of the three most militant social liberals in the Labor caucus, have been ousted and so their careers will end next year.

Can't you just focus on German politics? Like seriously,  off.

Reporting my posts isn't going to help you because literally everyone who's paying attention knows about you. The fact that you did report it speaks volumes.
This post is not a Personal Attack.*

* it looks as if I'm going to have to post this clarification in every single one of my replies to you so you get the message. Also, is saying "**** off" to me not a personal attack?

What are you even talking about?

Do you want me to repost the post you got deleted or is the topic too sensitive for you to handle?

I didn't ing report you, by all means repost it those, I'm sure it was a little nugget of gold.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Labor is currently sorting out preselections for the NSW Upper House elections next year, and it's been reported that both Amanda Fazio and Helen Westwood, two of the three most militant social liberals in the Labor caucus, have been ousted and so their careers will end next year.

Can't you just focus on German politics? Like seriously,  off.

The only people made happy by these self-inflicted wounds are social regressives like Hifly.

It doesn't help the vote, at all, in fact, it hurts it and the ALP not going back to being a backwards party... despite the valiant attempts to lose elections from people like Hifly who want the party to be dragged back to the days of Santamaria.

I don't how anyone could justify the inclusion of Amanda Fazio on the Labor ticket. She's been replaced by a talented young individual called Courtney Houssos from Country Labor. Only God knows why Fazio was Right Faction member because her stances on issues are quite extraordinary.

You're making the HUGE mistake of thinking right-faction = social conservative... I'm actually in the party and especially for those under 50, are pretty much in agreement on most social issues, it's economics and to a lesser extent foreign policy that are the dividing factors. Social policy matters to some, of course, but there isn't a "you're a member of the right faction, therefore you believe in x, x, x, x"

[Hifly]

Labor is currently sorting out preselections for the NSW Upper House elections next year, and it's been reported that both Amanda Fazio and Helen Westwood, two of the three most militant social liberals in the Labor caucus, have been ousted and so their careers will end next year.

Can't you just focus on German politics? Like seriously,  off.

The only people made happy by these self-inflicted wounds are social regressives like Hifly.

It doesn't help the vote, at all, in fact, it hurts it and the ALP not going back to being a backwards party... despite the valiant attempts to lose elections from people like Hifly who want the party to be dragged back to the days of Santamaria.

I don't how anyone could justify the inclusion of Amanda Fazio on the Labor ticket. She's been replaced by a talented young individual called Courtney Houssos from Country Labor. Only God knows why Fazio was Right Faction member because her stances on issues are quite extraordinary.

You're making the HUGE mistake of thinking right-faction = social conservative... I'm actually in the party and especially for those under 50, are pretty much in agreement on most social issues, it's economics and to a lesser extent foreign policy that are the dividing factors. Social policy matters to some, of course, but there isn't a "you're a member of the right faction, therefore you believe in x, x, x, x"

Labor does not grant free votes on issues of foreign policy and economics (which are decided at Conference and behind closed doors) and so the legislative differences between candidates revolves around social issues. Social views have mattered in preselections; You know that the SDA is pretty adamant about getting conservative candidates preselected and even for the NSW senate vacancy last year caused by Carr's retirement Paul Howes did say that if he held a different opinion on gay marriage things may have turned out differently.
Fazio is just weird.

[Platypus]

There are still people who don't have the troll on ignore?

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To more important matters.

Australia is now returning asylum seekers to the country from which they flee after asking four questions by phone to a boat in the middle of the ocean.

This is a great country, in many ways, but this is making me ashamed of Australia. Immigration and asylum laws are complex, and my own views are very nuanced.

But one thing is absolute - this criminal, immoral, murderous, and deeply, deeply offensive action is not something any Australian should tolerate, and it's not something the rest of the world should, either. Our name should be dragged through the mud and our reputation torn to pieces. Because this action is, unequivocally, evil.

[Hifly]

There are still people who don't have the troll on ignore?

Putting me on ignore is a good thing because it means I will no longer get silly responses to my posts by certain individuals like Solopop.

[Platypus]

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=195335.0

[Barnes]

The Kangaroo Court formerly known as the Senate has once again rejected the Carbon Tax repeal bills by a vote of 37-35. This came about by the Committee of the Whole surprisingly recommending the defeat of the bills and the Senate then agreeing to the committee's report.

PUP and Muir voted with Labor and the Greens; Xenophon, Leyonhjelm, Day, Madigan supported the Coalition. The bills now move back to the House of Representatives.

[Platypus]

The committee report was bythe committee set up by the old senate, in which the numbers were less coalition friendly.

That said, clearly this one isn't friendly either. I'm feeling better about being basically the only person on earth to defend Ricky Muir now

[Barnes]

It is rather telling that a Labor government without a majority in either house of Parliament could pass legislation more effectively than the current government.

[MaxQue]

Can the House overrule the Senate or try to convince 2 senators?
Or they'll have to compromise?

[Barnes]

Can the House overrule the Senate or try to convince 2 senators?
Or they'll have to compromise?

The bills will be re-introduced in the House next week. 

The actions by the Senate have yet to create a Double Dissolution trigger with the Carbon Tax repeal bills; however, one was created in June when the old Senate rejected the repeal of the Clean Energy Finance Corporation.  If you don't already know, here's how DD's work:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Dissolution

As for the next vote in the Senate, who knows? This huge crossbench is really unpredictable, so the Carbon Tax is really only safe for today. 

[Platypus]

Actually, they have a trigger, and Abbott has vowed to pull it in the past, so...

...is it too much to dream of a 9 month government?

[Barnes]

Actually, they have a trigger, and Abbott has vowed to pull it in the past, so...

...is it too much to dream of a 9 month government?

There is a trigger with the CEFC repeal bill, just not specifically with the Carbon Tax repeal bills.  I highly, highly doubt (though I hope) Abbott will call a DD.  Those threats are brought up by most governments every now and then - and while Abbott has certainly made himself clear on the matter, I'm sure he knows that throwing away a Parliament elected nine months ago would be folly.

[Platypus]

There IS a trigger with the carbon tax repeal bills, at least according to Latika Bourke.

And even though Abbott vowed to pull the trigger if the Senate didn't pass the repeal, obviously he won't. Partly because he'd lose the election pretty convincingly, but mainly because they'll pass next week after the House amends the bill to meet with Palmer's demands.

[Platypus]

He also pledged he'd refuse to work with the crossbenchers in the Senate, but that was never going to be upheld and was incredibly dumb from the outset.

Also dumb, he praised the honour of the Japanese in WW2. The Chinese are far from happy about that one, and so should be most Australians.

[Barnes]

There IS a trigger with the carbon tax repeal bills, at least according to Latika Bourke.

And even though Abbott vowed to pull the trigger if the Senate didn't pass the repeal, obviously he won't. Partly because he'd lose the election pretty convincingly, but mainly because they'll pass next week after the House amends the bill to meet with Palmer's demands.

Oh dear, looks like I didn't read clearly enough. Sorry, gents.

Regardless, whether he has one trigger or twenty, Abbott won't be calling an election.

The Government and PUP couldn't agree over some PUP amendments today, causing PUP to vote against repeal.  As previously stated, Abbott will incorporate Palmer's amendments into the bills next week - most likely securing their success the next time they come to the Senate.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Actually, Abbott does not have a trigger... the new Senate has sat, therefore the reset button has been hit. There needs to be at least three months between Senate rejections.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

There IS a trigger with the carbon tax repeal bills, at least according to Latika Bourke.

And even though Abbott vowed to pull the trigger if the Senate didn't pass the repeal, obviously he won't. Partly because he'd lose the election pretty convincingly, but mainly because they'll pass next week after the House amends the bill to meet with Palmer's demands.

Oh dear, looks like I didn't read clearly enough. Sorry, gents.

Regardless, whether he has one trigger or twenty, Abbott won't be calling an election.

The Government and PUP couldn't agree over some PUP amendments today, causing PUP to vote against repeal.  As previously stated, Abbott will incorporate Palmer's amendments into the bills next week - most likely securing their success the next time they come to the Senate.

And apparently Clive is not promising to be in the House next week. Which means, he can't move the amendments... and everything comes to a grinding halt until late August.

[Hifly]

The latest Newspoll for NSW State Election voting intentions is out, and Premier Mike Baird is maintaining a landslide lead over John Robertson.

2PP:
Coalition: 57% (-1)
Labor: 43% (+1)

This still represents a 7% swing to Labor since the last election.
http://m.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/state-politics/premier-mike-baird-maintains-libs-landslide-lead-in-nsw/story-e6frgczx-1226982239372

[Platypus]

Every few years I get reminded that this exists:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAOSo8XetNo

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Greg Combet said Julia Gillard offered to stand down in June 2013 if he would run against Rudd for the leadership.

[Hifly]

The NSW Labor conference has voted to abolish the Socialist objective, to support a 50:50 caucus to membership method of electing the state party leader, and to reject John Faulkner's preselection reforms, thankfully.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

The NSW Labor conference has voted to abolish the Socialist objective, to support a 50:50 caucus to membership method of electing the state party leader, and to reject John Faulkner's preselection reforms, thankfully.

Yes, it's horrible that local people should have any say in who represent them. Just as long as the SDA get to keep their power...