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« Reply #2075 on: April 26, 2015, 04:43:32 PM »

The Greens are just a bunch of young inner-city Liberals who don't understand how economics work.
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« Reply #2076 on: April 26, 2015, 11:19:28 PM »

The Greens are just a bunch of young inner-city Liberals who don't understand how economics work.
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Please see my second post. 

And just for reference: Economy over environmentalism: meet the new Greens scaring Labor.
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« Reply #2077 on: April 27, 2015, 01:37:05 AM »

The Greens are just a bunch of young inner-city Liberals who don't understand how economics work.
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Please see my second post. 

And just for reference: Economy over environmentalism: meet the new Greens scaring Labor.
I was joking. I'm a bit pissed off that you consider me a Liberal who doesn't understand economics though Tongue
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« Reply #2078 on: April 27, 2015, 05:45:27 AM »

The Greens voters profiled in that article have such a basic understanding of politics. Like, you vote Greens because of their international politics!? Like what even!???

I'm expecting the ALP to conduct a major push for Bandt's seat, from the people I've spoken to they don't expect to win but if they're ever going to win it back 2016 is a pretty good environment to try.
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« Reply #2079 on: April 27, 2015, 10:03:26 AM »

The Greens are just a bunch of young inner-city Liberals who don't understand how economics work.
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Please see my second post. 

And just for reference: Economy over environmentalism: meet the new Greens scaring Labor.
I was joking. I'm a bit pissed off that you consider me a Liberal who doesn't understand economics though Tongue

It's not a personal judgement, friend. Wink  And anyway, I'm not exactly won over by that entire article, but I found the idea amsuing and thought I'd share it here! Grin
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« Reply #2080 on: May 01, 2015, 06:27:28 PM »

I'm expecting the ALP to conduct a major push for Bandt's seat, from the people I've spoken to they don't expect to win but if they're ever going to win it back 2016 is a pretty good environment to try.

2013 was probably a better environment for them to have won, I'd think.
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« Reply #2081 on: May 01, 2015, 11:08:10 PM »

I'm expecting the ALP to conduct a major push for Bandt's seat, from the people I've spoken to they don't expect to win but if they're ever going to win it back 2016 is a pretty good environment to try.

2013 was probably a better environment for them to have won, I'd think.

Not really considering Gillard was dumped and Labor was on the nose.
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« Reply #2082 on: May 02, 2015, 04:33:06 AM »

Yes, I think the PNG solution was weighing on many Melbournites minds that election. I don't think the ALP will take it though (I feel the Greens have proven themselves to be less ephemeral than many other Australian Third parties) .
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« Reply #2083 on: May 02, 2015, 04:53:22 AM »

Adam Bandt has become quite entrenched in Melbourne, as seen by the large swing towards him in spite of the swing against the Greens last election. It seems he's built quite the personal following. Unless he were to somehow vacant the seat, I don't see Labor getting it back for a long time.
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« Reply #2084 on: May 02, 2015, 05:04:50 AM »

Bandt overall against Labor had a swing against him last election, which is odd considering his 7% personal swing. He'll be safe though.
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« Reply #2085 on: May 02, 2015, 05:19:34 AM »

Bandt overall against Labor had a swing against him last election, which is odd considering his 7% personal swing. He'll be safe though.

Not that odd given that the Liberals switched preferences.
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« Reply #2086 on: May 04, 2015, 11:02:46 PM »

VIC state budget is excellent, very impressed with Dan Andrews and team.
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« Reply #2087 on: May 05, 2015, 12:15:48 AM »

Adam Bandt has become quite entrenched in Melbourne, as seen by the large swing towards him in spite of the swing against the Greens last election. It seems he's built quite the personal following. Unless he were to somehow vacant the seat, I don't see Labor getting it back for a long time.

Labor's resources should be directed primarily towards those 3-4 marginals that we can win back from the Libs. But there will be some who are going to be so fixated with getting Bandt out of the seat that there could be issues about appropriate resourcing.
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« Reply #2088 on: May 05, 2015, 08:02:56 PM »

Christine Milne resigns as Greens Leader, effective immediately, leadership ballot at 11:30am
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« Reply #2089 on: May 05, 2015, 08:16:16 PM »


That's a bit of a surprise, but I hadn't realized before how long she's been in politics.  I suppose her obvious successor would be Bandt, but with only one MP the Greens might not find that the best option logistically.
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« Reply #2090 on: May 05, 2015, 08:41:40 PM »


That's a bit of a surprise, but I hadn't realized before how long she's been in politics.  I suppose her obvious successor would be Bandt, but with only one MP the Greens might not find that the best option logistically.

Richard di Natali will seek the leadership, against Bandt, potentially SHY as well.
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« Reply #2091 on: May 05, 2015, 08:47:19 PM »

Hoping it's Ludlam or SHY, but no indication they're running yet.
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« Reply #2092 on: May 05, 2015, 09:01:30 PM »

Probably a good decision; they need a younger, more dynamic leader. Milne never had Brown's charisma.
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« Reply #2093 on: May 05, 2015, 09:21:24 PM »

The party room is meeting now, so an announcement should be fairly soon.
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« Reply #2094 on: May 05, 2015, 09:29:20 PM »

The party room is meeting now, so an announcement should be fairly soon.

Richard di Natale elected unopposed as leader and Ludlam and Larissa Waters elected as co-deputies.
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« Reply #2095 on: May 05, 2015, 11:24:01 PM »

I'm surprised Bandt wasn't kept on as a Deputy.
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« Reply #2096 on: May 06, 2015, 02:11:12 AM »

I'm surprised Bandt wasn't kept on as a Deputy.

I kind of see three reasons for that.

1. Maybe he genuinely doesn't want to have the job with a new baby coming
2. He knows Labor (probably not sensibly) will be gunning hard for him, considering the likelihood of a decent state-wide swing to the ALP in Victoria, he knows he's not safe.
3. Maybe there are deeper tensions in the party beyond the Milne v Hanson-Young issues.
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« Reply #2097 on: May 06, 2015, 06:19:12 AM »

Bandt's faction got rolled.
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« Reply #2098 on: May 06, 2015, 11:38:51 AM »


What part of the Greens caucus would be characterized as his faction?
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« Reply #2099 on: May 06, 2015, 12:05:08 PM »

The Sarah Hanson Young faction I believe. The Greens (like all Australian parties) are not shy of hiding their factions, compounded of course by the fact that some state Green parties are older than the territorial Greens. That normally puts the right-wing conservationist Greens (Tasmanians, Queenslanders) against the ancestrally left-wing Greens (NSW, WA).

Bandt and SHY are more lefty than the Tasmanians - at the end of the day the Tasmanians are mostly interested in Trees. Milne personally dislikes SHY (not as much as she loathes Lee Rhiannon, but still) and doesn't want her in power.

Ludlam and Waters are good choices for deputy. I imagine they want to raise Waters profile so she won't get wiped out next election.
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