Should members of the Church of Peyote be allowed to consume mescaline?

[Ebowed]

Should members of the Church of Peyote or Native American Church be allowed to consume mescaline?

[Mescaline is a psychadelic substance found in several species of cacti, including the Peyote.  Mescaline is classified as a Schedule I drug, but several states allow an exemption for Native Americans or members of the Church of Peyote under freedom of religion laws.]

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Should members of the Church of Peyote or Native American Church be allowed to consume mescaline?

[Mescaline is a psychadelic substance found in several species of cacti, including the Peyote.  Mescaline is classified as a Schedule I drug, but several states allow an exemption for Native Americans or members of the Church of Peyote under freedom of religion laws.]

Wouldn't Native Americans be exempt on Native lands anyway?  It should be illegal, BTW.

[Ebowed]

It should be illegal, BTW.

But the consumption of the drug is necessary for them to fulfill their religious obligations.

The religion existed before the ban on using mescaline did, in case you think that it was set up just to get around drug law.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

It should be illegal, BTW.

But the consumption of the drug is necessary for them to fulfill their religious obligations.

The religion existed before the ban on using mescaline did, in case you think that it was set up just to get around drug law.

No - I knew it had been around.  I believe it's in Arizona or New Mexico that it's most frequently used - we had a discussion about it in our social psych class.

[dead0man]

It should be illegal, BTW.

Why?

[Silent Hunter]

I'd never heard of either of these until today.

Is the drug harmful?

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

I'd never heard of either of these until today.

Is the drug harmful?

Some say it's less harmful than other drugs.  It's what Aldous Huxley was on as he took the notes to write his book The Doors of Perception.

[Wakie]

Only if it is legal for a Rastafarian to consume cannabis.

[Silent Hunter]

Only if it is legal for a Rastafarian to consume cannabis.

Of course the problem with that is that you're going to get every pothead on the planet "converting" to Rastafarianism.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

It should be illegal, BTW.

But the consumption of the drug is necessary for them to fulfill their religious obligations.

The religion existed before the ban on using mescaline did, in case you think that it was set up just to get around drug law.

No - I knew it had been around.  I believe it's in Arizona or New Mexico that it's most frequently used - we had a discussion about it in our social psych class.

I love how Ebowed assumed that I thought the religion was a bogus way to get around the law, and then when I informed him that I knew it was a real religion he hasn't posted since.

[afleitch]

See John Rawls for my answer.

[Ebowed]

I love how Ebowed assumed that I thought the religion was a bogus way to get around the law, and then when I informed him that I knew it was a real religion he hasn't posted since.

I don't have the time to reply to every post on this forum, numbskull.  Anyway, the fact that you weren't ignorant about it just makes your position on the issue all the more ridiculous.

Is the drug harmful?

It is a non-addictive psychadelic drug.  It would generally only be dangerous if someone drove under the influence, which members of the church do not do.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

I love how Ebowed assumed that I thought the religion was a bogus way to get around the law, and then when I informed him that I knew it was a real religion he hasn't posted since.

I don't have the time to reply to every post on this forum, numbskull.  Anyway, the fact that you weren't ignorant about it just makes your position on the issue all the more ridiculous.

Is the drug harmful?

It is a non-addictive psychadelic drug.  It would generally only be dangerous if someone drove under the influence, which members of the church do not do.

I just find it funny that you assumed that I was making an ignorant judgment.  And numbskull?  I haven't heard that since about 3rd grade.

[Ebowed]

I just find it funny that you assumed that I was making an ignorant judgment.  And numbskull?  I haven't heard that since about 3rd grade.

You still haven't provided any rationale to prohibit religious-based consumption of mescaline.

[Gabu]

I just find it funny that you assumed that I was making an ignorant judgment.  And numbskull?  I haven't heard that since about 3rd grade.

You still haven't provided any rationale to prohibit religious-based consumption of mescaline.

Or consumption of it in general, for that matter.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

I just find it funny that you assumed that I was making an ignorant judgment.  And numbskull?  I haven't heard that since about 3rd grade.

You still haven't provided any rationale to prohibit religious-based consumption of mescaline.

Or consumption of it in general, for that matter.

It's an illegal drug - you can't do illegal stuff just for the sake of religion.

[Everett]

I just find it funny that you assumed that I was making an ignorant judgment.  And numbskull?  I haven't heard that since about 3rd grade.

You still haven't provided any rationale to prohibit religious-based consumption of mescaline.

Or consumption of it in general, for that matter.

It's an illegal drug - you can't do illegal stuff just for the sake of religion.

I'm sure that you would say the same of Christians in countries where Christianity is suppressed and/or banned. Of course they shouldn't be reading the Bible. It's illegal, after all!

Just because the religion under consideration here is not Christianity or some closely related cult does not mean that it should be excluded from sharing the same liberties that Christians and closely related cults do. And you have not even presented a sound argument as to why mescaline should be illegal. The fact that it is illegal at present is not a reason why it should be illegal, unless of course you are perfectly content to continue plodding along, dumbly accepting everything that the government force-feeds you as valid.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

I just find it funny that you assumed that I was making an ignorant judgment.  And numbskull?  I haven't heard that since about 3rd grade.

You still haven't provided any rationale to prohibit religious-based consumption of mescaline.

Or consumption of it in general, for that matter.

It's an illegal drug - you can't do illegal stuff just for the sake of religion.

I'm sure that you would say the same of Christians in countries where Christianity is suppressed and/or banned. Of course they shouldn't be reading the Bible. It's illegal, after all!

Just because the religion under consideration here is not Christianity or some closely related cult does not mean that it should be excluded from sharing the same liberties that Christians and closely related cults do. And you have not even presented a sound argument as to why mescaline should be illegal. The fact that it is illegal at present is not a reason why it should be illegal, unless of course you are perfectly content to continue plodding along, dumbly accepting everything that the government force-feeds you as valid.

Reading isn't hazardous to the health of you and others.

[bgwah]

I just find it funny that you assumed that I was making an ignorant judgment.  And numbskull?  I haven't heard that since about 3rd grade.

You still haven't provided any rationale to prohibit religious-based consumption of mescaline.

Or consumption of it in general, for that matter.

It's an illegal drug - you can't do illegal stuff just for the sake of religion.

I'm sure that you would say the same of Christians in countries where Christianity is suppressed and/or banned. Of course they shouldn't be reading the Bible. It's illegal, after all!

Just because the religion under consideration here is not Christianity or some closely related cult does not mean that it should be excluded from sharing the same liberties that Christians and closely related cults do. And you have not even presented a sound argument as to why mescaline should be illegal. The fact that it is illegal at present is not a reason why it should be illegal, unless of course you are perfectly content to continue plodding along, dumbly accepting everything that the government force-feeds you as valid.

Reading isn't hazardous to the health of you and others.

But it's ILLEGAL!

Amusing how you put Ron Paul in your signature and then turn around and say the state should be able to regulate a person's health and restrict their religious beliefs.

[Ebowed]

It's an illegal drug - you can't do illegal stuff just for the sake of religion.

LOL!

The drug is not illegal if you are a member of the church, thus your argument makes no sense.

[Gabu]

It's an illegal drug - you can't do illegal stuff just for the sake of religion.

Wait, are you arguing that mescaline should be illegal because it's illegal (even though it isn't illegal)?

[DownWithTheLeft]

Drugs= Bad
Drugs being Legal = Good

[The Man From G.O.P.]

Drugs= Bad
Drugs being Legal = Good

So this would hold true for lots of other bad and dangerous things then wouldn't it?

[DownWithTheLeft]

Drugs= Bad
Drugs being Legal = Good

So this would hold true for lots of other bad and dangerous things then wouldn't it?

Depends if it is a victimless crime

[bullmoose88]

Option 1...however, if anyone should have the biggest gripe and most legitimate claim it would be the persons described in option 2.