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[Јas]

It's interesting that Inks feels the Saudis have an effective method of preventing evil, due to the severity of their justice system.

Quite indicative of an unhealthy frame of mind (where morality and legality are synonymous terms).

Did I say that I support their penalty system?

No.  You called it effective.

Right - it is effective.  They have less crime.

Very effective...This woman, for instance, will be sure not to be gang raped again after her 200 lashes and 6 month imprisonment. You can bet she also learnt her lesson when the judges increased the sentence on appeal because of the case's media attention.

Look - by no means am I advocating their punishments, but you can't tell me that they don't work better.

Yes, I can...I just did. The punishment can't surely be argued to 'work better' when it's applied to the victim, as in the above example.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

It's interesting that Inks feels the Saudis have an effective method of preventing evil, due to the severity of their justice system.

Quite indicative of an unhealthy frame of mind (where morality and legality are synonymous terms).

Did I say that I support their penalty system?

No.  You called it effective.

Right - it is effective.  They have less crime.

Very effective...This woman, for instance, will be sure not to be gang raped again after her 200 lashes and 6 month imprisonment. You can bet she also learnt her lesson when the judges increased the sentence on appeal because of the case's media attention.

Look - by no means am I advocating their punishments, but you can't tell me that they don't work better.

Yes, I can...I just did. The punishment can't surely be argued to 'work better' when it's applied to the victim, as in the above example.

But the punishment on the others?  We're not talking about punishing the victim as well - I'm saying that the other punishment was harsh too.

[Јas]

It's interesting that Inks feels the Saudis have an effective method of preventing evil, due to the severity of their justice system.

Quite indicative of an unhealthy frame of mind (where morality and legality are synonymous terms).

Did I say that I support their penalty system?

No.  You called it effective.

Right - it is effective.  They have less crime.

Very effective...This woman, for instance, will be sure not to be gang raped again after her 200 lashes and 6 month imprisonment. You can bet she also learnt her lesson when the judges increased the sentence on appeal because of the case's media attention.

Look - by no means am I advocating their punishments, but you can't tell me that they don't work better.

Yes, I can...I just did. The punishment can't surely be argued to 'work better' when it's applied to the victim, as in the above example.

But the punishment on the others?  We're not talking about punishing the victim as well - I'm saying that the other punishment was harsh too.

Ah, so you're suggesting that it doesn't matter too much if victims get punished as well and a society of fear develops, so long they contribute to a low official crime rate?

[Silent Hunter]

No, I don't think he's saying that at all.

[Gabu]

Ah, so you're suggesting that it doesn't matter too much if victims get punished as well and a society of fear develops, so long they contribute to a low official crime rate?

Well, he's correct that ridiculously harsh punishments for every crime would probably result in a low crime rate.

What this really proves is that a low crime rate by itself is not a very good metric of whether or not a place is desirable.

[Silent Hunter]

Ah, so you're suggesting that it doesn't matter too much if victims get punished as well and a society of fear develops, so long they contribute to a low official crime rate?

Well, he's correct that ridiculously harsh punishments for every crime would probably result in a low crime rate.

What this really proves is that a low crime rate by itself is not a very good metric of whether or not a place is desirable.

Concur. Examples: the USSR and apparently East Germany.

[Јas]

Ah, so you're suggesting that it doesn't matter too much if victims get punished as well and a society of fear develops, so long they contribute to a low official crime rate?

Well, he's correct that ridiculously harsh punishments for every crime would probably result in a low crime rate.

What this really proves is that a low crime rate by itself is not a very good metric of whether or not a place is desirable.

I agree.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

Ah, so you're suggesting that it doesn't matter too much if victims get punished as well and a society of fear develops, so long they contribute to a low official crime rate?

Well, he's correct that ridiculously harsh punishments for every crime would probably result in a low crime rate.

What this really proves is that a low crime rate by itself is not a very good metric of whether or not a place is desirable.

Not only that, but isn't even always true (that high level of punishment results in a low crime rate). Examples: Victorian Britain, Lots of modern South America...

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

It's interesting that Inks feels the Saudis have an effective method of preventing evil, due to the severity of their justice system.

Quite indicative of an unhealthy frame of mind (where morality and legality are synonymous terms).

Did I say that I support their penalty system?

No.  You called it effective.

Right - it is effective.  They have less crime.

Very effective...This woman, for instance, will be sure not to be gang raped again after her 200 lashes and 6 month imprisonment. You can bet she also learnt her lesson when the judges increased the sentence on appeal because of the case's media attention.

Look - by no means am I advocating their punishments, but you can't tell me that they don't work better.

Yes, I can...I just did. The punishment can't surely be argued to 'work better' when it's applied to the victim, as in the above example.

But the punishment on the others?  We're not talking about punishing the victim as well - I'm saying that the other punishment was harsh too.

Ah, so you're suggesting that it doesn't matter too much if victims get punished as well and a society of fear develops, so long they contribute to a low official crime rate?

No, I'm saying that really harsh crime punishments result in lower crimes - but I'm not advocating the way that the Saudi's punish people at all.  Just because something works doesn't mean it's good.

Ah, so you're suggesting that it doesn't matter too much if victims get punished as well and a society of fear develops, so long they contribute to a low official crime rate?

Well, he's correct that ridiculously harsh punishments for every crime would probably result in a low crime rate.

What this really proves is that a low crime rate by itself is not a very good metric of whether or not a place is desirable.

I agree.

That was my point.