Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
October 22, 2014, 05:27:16 pm
HomePredMockPollEVCalcAFEWIKIHelpLogin Register
News: Atlas Hardware Upgrade complete October 13, 2013.

+  Atlas Forum
|-+  General Politics
| |-+  International General Discussion (Moderators: Peter, afleitch)
| | |-+  Northern Ireland General Discussion
« previous next »
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 [7] 8 Print
Author Topic: Northern Ireland General Discussion  (Read 20101 times)
YL
YorkshireLiberal
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 1243
United Kingdom


View Profile
« Reply #150 on: June 14, 2012, 12:21:33 pm »
Ignore

The Alliance Party is in fact really the "left-wing unionist" party you're looking for - it receives few votes from Catholics.

I don't think this is entirely true.  In areas where the Catholic population is low it often appears quite a few of them are voting Alliance.  See Assembly results in Strangford, for example.

I'm also not sure that Alliance is exactly "left wing" -- I've got the impression that some Alliance supporters are quite right wing in an Orange Book liberal sort of way -- and while it might be generally "unionist" with a small u it is not Unionist.  What defines Alliance is opposition to sectarianism.

Note also that there have been a few UUP figures (including their last MP, who left because of their ill starred alliance with the Tories) not exactly on the right.

(I think Al has said enough about South Down.)
Logged

Not a fan of UKIP, to put it mildly
Sibboleth
Realpolitik
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 56819
Saint Helena


View Profile WWW
« Reply #151 on: June 14, 2012, 02:07:50 pm »
Ignore

'Actually nonsectarian, but not exactly working class orientated' as one satirical work from the early 1980s put it. Increasingly mostly just public sector middle class.

On tuther thing, Two UUP MPs voted with the Callaghan government in the vote of no confidence; Harold McCusker (Armagh) and John Carson (North Belfast). Carson was promptly deselected, while McCusker ended up as a deputy leader. Make of that what thou will, etc.
Logged

"I have become entangled in my own data, and my conclusion stands in direct contradiction to the initial idea from which I started. Proceeding from unlimited freedom, I end with unlimited despotism. I will add, however, that there can be no solution of the social formula except mine."
only back for the worldcup
Lewis Trondheim
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 58778
India


View Profile
« Reply #152 on: June 15, 2012, 12:04:22 pm »
Ignore

And the bloc vote of NI's one not-entirely-negligible non-Irish population group. Which is Chinese.
Logged

"The secret to having a rewarding work-life balance is to have no life. Then it's easy to keep things balanced by doing no work." Wally



"Our party do not have any ideology... Our main aim is to grab power ... Every one is doing so but I say it openly." Keshav Dev Maurya
London Man
Silent Hunter
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 6024
United Kingdom


View Profile WWW
« Reply #153 on: June 17, 2012, 02:36:09 pm »
Ignore

Lord Maginnis loses UUP whip over anti-gay comments
Logged

Јas
Jas
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 9804
Malawi


View Profile
« Reply #154 on: October 02, 2012, 02:52:55 am »
Ignore


On the theme...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/oct/01/northern-ireland-assembly-gay-marriage


The Green Party motion for marriage equality was
Quote
That this Assembly believes that all couples, including those of the same sex, should have the right to marry in the eyes of the State and that, while the rights of religious institutions to define, observe and practise marriage within their beliefs should be given legal protection, all married couples, including those of the same sex, should have the same legal entitlement to the protections, responsibilities, rights, obligations and benefits afforded by the legal institution of marriage; calls on the Minister of Finance and Personnel to introduce legislation to guarantee that couples of any sex or gender identity receive equal benefit; and further calls on the First Minister and deputy First Minister to ensure that all legislation adheres to the Government’s commitments to protect equality for all.

The Green, Sinn Féin and the SDLP voted in favour (1 SDLP abstention).

The DUP, voting against, ensured the motion would definitely be be defeated by making it a cross-community vote.

The UUP voted against, with 3 members splitting away to vote in favour of the motion.

Alliance also split, voting 4-1 in favour.
Logged

Funny 'cause it's true:
Very few people seriously allow facts to affect their opinions.

Јas
Jas
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 9804
Malawi


View Profile
« Reply #155 on: December 13, 2012, 05:50:49 pm »
Ignore

The below obviously came out a few days ago.
Interesting changes to the religious demography, but also for the first time a question about national identity.

Quote from: The Irish Times
Figures reveal just 54,000 more Protestants than Catholics in NI

There are just 54,000 more people from a Protestant background than from a Catholic one in Northern Ireland, latest figures from the North’s 2011 census have shown.

The gap between those in the North who are or were raised as Protestant and Catholic has narrowed to 3 per cent, figures released yesterday disclosed.

There are 864,000 people in Northern Ireland from a Protestant tradition, compared with 810,000 from a Catholic background.

The census showed 48 per cent of Northern Ireland’s 1.8 million population originated from Protestant households while those from Catholic households were 45 per cent. This marks a 1 per cent increase in the Catholic population from 2001 and a reduction of 5 per cent in the Protestant population. It is the first time the Protestant population has gone under 50 per cent.

The Protestant population is older than the Catholic equivalent, the census shows. A separate school census shows a Catholic majority among school-age children.

...

the census also revealed that only one in four of the overall Northern Ireland population sees themselves as exclusively Irish. This contrasts with 40 per cent who view themselves as solely British and 21 per cent who see themselves as Northern Irish only. This is the first time this question of identity was asked in the Northern census.

Almost half (48 per cent) of people usually resident in Northern Ireland included British as a national identity while 29 per cent included Northern Irish and 28 per cent included Irish as identity. Here there would have been some overlapping identities.

One-sixth (17 per cent) of the population either had no religion or no stated religion while 5.6 per cent neither belonged to, nor had been brought up in, a religion. The stated religion of the population was 41 per cent Catholic. This compared with 19 per cent Presbyterian, 14 per cent Church of Ireland, 3 per cent Methodist, and 5.8 per cent other Christian or Christian-related denominations – a total of 41.8 per cent.

...

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/1212/1224327773537.html
Logged

Funny 'cause it's true:
Very few people seriously allow facts to affect their opinions.

Јas
Jas
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 9804
Malawi


View Profile
« Reply #156 on: December 13, 2012, 05:59:52 pm »
Ignore

The AIRO has graphed some of this data by district:
http://www.airo.ie/news/census-northern-ireland-interactive-snapshot
 
Logged

Funny 'cause it's true:
Very few people seriously allow facts to affect their opinions.

politicus
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 4947
Denmark


View Profile
« Reply #157 on: December 13, 2012, 06:26:57 pm »
Ignore

The below obviously came out a few days ago.
Interesting changes to the religious demography, but also for the first time a question about national identity.

Quote from: The Irish Times
Figures reveal just 54,000 more Protestants than Catholics in NI

There are just 54,000 more people from a Protestant background than from a Catholic one in Northern Ireland, latest figures from the North’s 2011 census have shown.

The gap between those in the North who are or were raised as Protestant and Catholic has narrowed to 3 per cent, figures released yesterday disclosed.

There are 864,000 people in Northern Ireland from a Protestant tradition, compared with 810,000 from a Catholic background.

The census showed 48 per cent of Northern Ireland’s 1.8 million population originated from Protestant households while those from Catholic households were 45 per cent. This marks a 1 per cent increase in the Catholic population from 2001 and a reduction of 5 per cent in the Protestant population. It is the first time the Protestant population has gone under 50 per cent.

The Protestant population is older than the Catholic equivalent, the census shows. A separate school census shows a Catholic majority among school-age children.

...

the census also revealed that only one in four of the overall Northern Ireland population sees themselves as exclusively Irish. This contrasts with 40 per cent who view themselves as solely British and 21 per cent who see themselves as Northern Irish only. This is the first time this question of identity was asked in the Northern census.

Almost half (48 per cent) of people usually resident in Northern Ireland included British as a national identity while 29 per cent included Northern Irish and 28 per cent included Irish as identity. Here there would have been some overlapping identities.

One-sixth (17 per cent) of the population either had no religion or no stated religion while 5.6 per cent neither belonged to, nor had been brought up in, a religion. The stated religion of the population was 41 per cent Catholic. This compared with 19 per cent Presbyterian, 14 per cent Church of Ireland, 3 per cent Methodist, and 5.8 per cent other Christian or Christian-related denominations – a total of 41.8 per cent.

...

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/1212/1224327773537.html
Very interesting, but the low level of Irish identity isnt good news for the Republicans. Is it decreasing or increasing with age?
Regarding the distribution of the 6,5% that hasn't been brought up in either tradition. With 5,59% growing up without a religion I assume a lot come from mixed Catholic/Protestant families?
The 0,92% non-Christian are presumably mostly Chinese.
The Polish and other Eastern European Catholics must be counted in the Catholic bracket in this census, so perhaps the Irish Catholic share is a bit lower than the 45,14%. Maybe 43-43,5%?
Its a shame they don't have an "Irish Catholic" category.

If they do a Border Poll, do you think there would be a pro-Irish majority in Derry, Omagh and Newry & Mourne? The numbers look solid.
« Last Edit: December 13, 2012, 09:59:02 pm by politicus »Logged

Јas
Jas
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 9804
Malawi


View Profile
« Reply #158 on: December 14, 2012, 09:22:18 am »
Ignore

Very interesting, but the low level of Irish identity isnt good news for the Republicans. Is it decreasing or increasing with age?

Not as of yet.
If you want to look through the first batch of released results, they're here.


The 0,92% non-Christian are presumably mostly Chinese.

0.35% are ethnically Chinese.
0.34% are ethnically Indian.


The Polish and other Eastern European Catholics must be counted in the Catholic bracket in this census, so perhaps the Irish Catholic share is a bit lower than the 45,14%. Maybe 43-43,5%?
Its a shame they don't have an "Irish Catholic" category.

1.97% are from the EU post-04 accession countries.
Judging by the language data, the majority of these are probably Polish and Lithuanian.


If they do a Border Poll, do you think there would be a pro-Irish majority in Derry, Omagh and Newry & Mourne? The numbers look solid.

Depends on context but Derry and Newry, yes I think so.
Omagh and Magherafelt - pretty marginal either way.
Logged

Funny 'cause it's true:
Very few people seriously allow facts to affect their opinions.

Хahar
Xahar
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 38877
Bangladesh


View Profile
« Reply #159 on: December 14, 2012, 10:03:31 am »
Ignore

Map:

Logged

Update reading list

The idea of parodying the preceding Atlasian's postings is laughable, of course, but not for reasons one might expect.
London Man
Silent Hunter
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 6024
United Kingdom


View Profile WWW
« Reply #160 on: January 09, 2013, 12:10:26 pm »
Ignore

Perhaps it's because I'm not from there, but seriously people, it's just a flag.
Logged

MaxQue
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 8899
Canada


View Profile
« Reply #161 on: January 09, 2013, 12:19:29 pm »
Ignore

Indeed. I was ashamed of Quebec during that long debate on the presence of the Canada flag in the Assembly, but, at least, there was no violence.

Well, I suppose it's a continuation of The Troubles.
Logged
Јas
Jas
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 9804
Malawi


View Profile
« Reply #162 on: January 10, 2013, 07:14:37 am »
Ignore

Perhaps it's because I'm not from there, but seriously people, it's just a flag.

Maybe because it's not really about the flag.
Logged

Funny 'cause it's true:
Very few people seriously allow facts to affect their opinions.

Sibboleth
Realpolitik
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 56819
Saint Helena


View Profile WWW
« Reply #163 on: January 10, 2013, 10:38:36 am »
Ignore

Perhaps it's because I'm not from there, but seriously people, it's just a flag.

Maybe because it's not really about the flag.

Or, rather, it is about the flag, but the flag is not actually a flag.
Logged

"I have become entangled in my own data, and my conclusion stands in direct contradiction to the initial idea from which I started. Proceeding from unlimited freedom, I end with unlimited despotism. I will add, however, that there can be no solution of the social formula except mine."
black and white band photos
BRTD
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 72516
United Kingdom


View Profile
« Reply #164 on: January 10, 2013, 11:16:02 am »
Ignore

Something I came across recently is that for whatever reason, there are more Mormons in Northern Ireland than in the Republic. I wonder what party they tend to vote for.
Logged




01/05/2004-01/10/2014
DC Al Fine
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 7238
Canada


View Profile
« Reply #165 on: January 10, 2013, 11:28:25 am »
Ignore

Something I came across recently is that for whatever reason, there are more Mormons in Northern Ireland than in the Republic. I wonder what party they tend to vote for.

UUP maybe?

Mormons tend to do well, so they probably don't lean left. They're way too socially conservative for the Alliance, and I'm sure Ian Paisley doesn't like them.
Logged

Economic: 3.1
Social: 2.78

Quote from: Don Colacho
The Gospels and the Communist Manifesto are on the wane; the world’s future lies in the power of Coca-Cola and pornography.
Tetro Kornbluth
Gully Foyle
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 11397
Ireland, Republic of


View Profile
« Reply #166 on: January 10, 2013, 11:42:45 am »
Ignore

Something I came across recently is that for whatever reason, there are more Mormons in Northern Ireland than in the Republic. I wonder what party they tend to vote for.

I imagine DUP given that I imagine this is connected with the rise of new forms of evangelical Protestantism in NI (of course, evangelicalism itself has a long history in the North as do denominational splits. Just look at Big Iain) and those are DUP voters (if they vote). That would also explain why there are more Mormons in NI than here, which is hardly surprising..
Logged



Quote
Keith R Laws ‏@Keith_Laws  Feb 4
As I have noted before 'paradigm shift' is an anagram of 'grasp dim faith'
ObserverIE
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 871
Ireland, Republic of


Political Matrix
E: -3.87, S: -1.04

View Profile
« Reply #167 on: January 10, 2013, 01:55:56 pm »
Ignore

Something I came across recently is that for whatever reason, there are more Mormons in Northern Ireland than in the Republic. I wonder what party they tend to vote for.

I imagine DUP given that I imagine this is connected with the rise of new forms of evangelical Protestantism in NI (of course, evangelicalism itself has a long history in the North as do denominational splits. Just look at Big Iain) and those are DUP voters (if they vote). That would also explain why there are more Mormons in NI than here, which is hardly surprising..

Mormons are not quite evangelical Protestants, though, and I'm not sure that the strident wing of the DUP, who would not consider Mormons to be Christian never mind Protestant, would have much appeal for them. I suspect sizeable numbers would go with UUP or Alliance (on the "none of the above" principle) or simply not vote.
Logged

Tetro Kornbluth
Gully Foyle
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 11397
Ireland, Republic of


View Profile
« Reply #168 on: January 10, 2013, 08:59:21 pm »
Ignore

Something I came across recently is that for whatever reason, there are more Mormons in Northern Ireland than in the Republic. I wonder what party they tend to vote for.

I imagine DUP given that I imagine this is connected with the rise of new forms of evangelical Protestantism in NI (of course, evangelicalism itself has a long history in the North as do denominational splits. Just look at Big Iain) and those are DUP voters (if they vote). That would also explain why there are more Mormons in NI than here, which is hardly surprising..

Mormons are not quite evangelical Protestants, though, and I'm not sure that the strident wing of the DUP, who would not consider Mormons to be Christian never mind Protestant, would have much appeal for them. I suspect sizeable numbers would go with UUP or Alliance (on the "none of the above" principle) or simply not vote.

Yes, I know, but they come from the same theological gene pool as the modern evangelical movement and certainly share more background than they do with Catholics. And I don't recall the DUP ever making comments against the Mormons (although given that I tend to ignore everything the DUP says, I can't be sure of that). Of course, if we knew where these Mormons lived, I would have a better idea.

However, the fact that there are more Mormons in NI than ROI (with c40% of the population) is revealing enough in itself.
« Last Edit: January 10, 2013, 09:01:12 pm by Japhy Ryder »Logged



Quote
Keith R Laws ‏@Keith_Laws  Feb 4
As I have noted before 'paradigm shift' is an anagram of 'grasp dim faith'
black and white band photos
BRTD
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 72516
United Kingdom


View Profile
« Reply #169 on: January 11, 2013, 12:32:38 am »
Ignore

The LDS Church counts about 2800 members in the Republic and 5300 members in the North.
Logged




01/05/2004-01/10/2014
Јas
Jas
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 9804
Malawi


View Profile
« Reply #170 on: January 11, 2013, 01:30:14 am »
Ignore

Perhaps it's because I'm not from there, but seriously people, it's just a flag.

Maybe because it's not really about the flag.

Or, rather, it is about the flag, but the flag is not actually a flag.

Indeed so.
Logged

Funny 'cause it's true:
Very few people seriously allow facts to affect their opinions.

Sibboleth
Realpolitik
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 56819
Saint Helena


View Profile WWW
« Reply #171 on: November 11, 2013, 05:19:12 pm »
Ignore

As noted elsewhere, longtime South Down SDLP MP (and electoral vanquisher of Enoch Powell) Eddie McGrady has died.
Logged

"I have become entangled in my own data, and my conclusion stands in direct contradiction to the initial idea from which I started. Proceeding from unlimited freedom, I end with unlimited despotism. I will add, however, that there can be no solution of the social formula except mine."
Јas
Jas
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 9804
Malawi


View Profile
« Reply #172 on: November 12, 2013, 02:27:38 am »
Ignore

http://sluggerotoole.com/2013/11/11/eddie-mcgrady-rip/



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Down_(UK_Parliament_constituency)#Elections_in_the_1980s
Logged

Funny 'cause it's true:
Very few people seriously allow facts to affect their opinions.

YL
YorkshireLiberal
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 1243
United Kingdom


View Profile
« Reply #173 on: February 18, 2014, 02:36:51 pm »
Ignore

Not particularly surprising, but depressing all the same:
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/feb/18/chinese-anna-lo-online-racist-abuse-northern-ireland-loyalists
Logged

Not a fan of UKIP, to put it mildly
ingemann
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 1049


View Profile
« Reply #174 on: February 18, 2014, 03:19:52 pm »
Ignore

Something I came across recently is that for whatever reason, there are more Mormons in Northern Ireland than in the Republic. I wonder what party they tend to vote for.

UUP maybe?

Mormons tend to do well, so they probably don't lean left. They're way too socially conservative for the Alliance, and I'm sure Ian Paisley doesn't like them.

British and Danish Mormons tend to be remnants of Mormon missionaring in the 19th century, as such they have not a whole lot in common with American Mormons, but more in common with European Protestant free chuches. I would suspect that almost all of them if they mix in politics at all are unionist.
Logged
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 [7] 8 Print 
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Logout

Powered by SMF 1.1.20 | SMF © 2013, Simple Machines