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Tetro Kornbluth
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« Reply #100 on: January 10, 2013, 11:42:45 AM »

Something I came across recently is that for whatever reason, there are more Mormons in Northern Ireland than in the Republic. I wonder what party they tend to vote for.

I imagine DUP given that I imagine this is connected with the rise of new forms of evangelical Protestantism in NI (of course, evangelicalism itself has a long history in the North as do denominational splits. Just look at Big Iain) and those are DUP voters (if they vote). That would also explain why there are more Mormons in NI than here, which is hardly surprising..
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« Reply #101 on: January 10, 2013, 01:55:56 PM »

Something I came across recently is that for whatever reason, there are more Mormons in Northern Ireland than in the Republic. I wonder what party they tend to vote for.

I imagine DUP given that I imagine this is connected with the rise of new forms of evangelical Protestantism in NI (of course, evangelicalism itself has a long history in the North as do denominational splits. Just look at Big Iain) and those are DUP voters (if they vote). That would also explain why there are more Mormons in NI than here, which is hardly surprising..

Mormons are not quite evangelical Protestants, though, and I'm not sure that the strident wing of the DUP, who would not consider Mormons to be Christian never mind Protestant, would have much appeal for them. I suspect sizeable numbers would go with UUP or Alliance (on the "none of the above" principle) or simply not vote.
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« Reply #102 on: January 10, 2013, 08:59:21 PM »
« Edited: January 10, 2013, 09:01:12 PM by Japhy Ryder »

Something I came across recently is that for whatever reason, there are more Mormons in Northern Ireland than in the Republic. I wonder what party they tend to vote for.

I imagine DUP given that I imagine this is connected with the rise of new forms of evangelical Protestantism in NI (of course, evangelicalism itself has a long history in the North as do denominational splits. Just look at Big Iain) and those are DUP voters (if they vote). That would also explain why there are more Mormons in NI than here, which is hardly surprising..

Mormons are not quite evangelical Protestants, though, and I'm not sure that the strident wing of the DUP, who would not consider Mormons to be Christian never mind Protestant, would have much appeal for them. I suspect sizeable numbers would go with UUP or Alliance (on the "none of the above" principle) or simply not vote.

Yes, I know, but they come from the same theological gene pool as the modern evangelical movement and certainly share more background than they do with Catholics. And I don't recall the DUP ever making comments against the Mormons (although given that I tend to ignore everything the DUP says, I can't be sure of that). Of course, if we knew where these Mormons lived, I would have a better idea.

However, the fact that there are more Mormons in NI than ROI (with c40% of the population) is revealing enough in itself.
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« Reply #103 on: January 11, 2013, 12:32:38 AM »

The LDS Church counts about 2800 members in the Republic and 5300 members in the North.
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« Reply #104 on: November 11, 2013, 05:19:12 PM »

As noted elsewhere, longtime South Down SDLP MP (and electoral vanquisher of Enoch Powell) Eddie McGrady has died.
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« Reply #105 on: February 18, 2014, 02:36:51 PM »

Not particularly surprising, but depressing all the same:
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/feb/18/chinese-anna-lo-online-racist-abuse-northern-ireland-loyalists
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« Reply #106 on: February 18, 2014, 03:19:52 PM »

Something I came across recently is that for whatever reason, there are more Mormons in Northern Ireland than in the Republic. I wonder what party they tend to vote for.

UUP maybe?

Mormons tend to do well, so they probably don't lean left. They're way too socially conservative for the Alliance, and I'm sure Ian Paisley doesn't like them.

British and Danish Mormons tend to be remnants of Mormon missionaring in the 19th century, as such they have not a whole lot in common with American Mormons, but more in common with European Protestant free chuches. I would suspect that almost all of them if they mix in politics at all are unionist.
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« Reply #107 on: April 30, 2014, 03:02:38 PM »

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« Reply #108 on: May 05, 2014, 01:05:45 PM »

On a very important side issue I'm going to leave this here

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« Reply #109 on: May 29, 2014, 11:50:54 AM »

Anna Lo (Alliance MLA for South Belfast and Euro election candidate) leaving NI politics because of racism and sectarianism:

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/may/29/northern-ireland-chinese-mp-might-leave-province-racist-abuse

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« Reply #110 on: May 29, 2014, 04:10:39 PM »

Anna Lo (Alliance MLA for South Belfast and Euro election candidate) leaving NI politics because of racism and sectarianism:

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/may/29/northern-ireland-chinese-mp-might-leave-province-racist-abuse

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Is racism in NI mainly on the loyalist side?

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« Reply #111 on: May 29, 2014, 04:17:01 PM »

No, but the worst of it is.
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« Reply #112 on: May 30, 2014, 12:20:07 AM »

Not the biggest Galloway fan but bravo for him standing his ground against bigotry here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3ejZmuJlv0
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« Reply #113 on: August 09, 2014, 02:38:38 PM »
« Edited: August 09, 2014, 02:40:51 PM by Frodo »

Given that Northern Ireland is now plurality Catholic (and in fact outnumber Protestants in Belfast), does anyone see it becoming majority Catholic within the next few decades?  
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« Reply #114 on: August 09, 2014, 02:45:51 PM »

Given that Northern Ireland is now plurality Catholic (and in fact outnumber Protestants in Belfast), does anyone see it becoming majority Catholic within the next few decades?  

It will under current demographic trends, and quite soon at that.

Not that I think that will change the constitutional situation much.
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« Reply #115 on: August 09, 2014, 06:33:11 PM »

Given that Northern Ireland is now plurality Catholic (and in fact outnumber Protestants in Belfast), does anyone see it becoming majority Catholic within the next few decades?  

It will under current demographic trends, and quite soon at that.

Not that I think that will change the constitutional situation much.

Could you elaborate for the reasons behind this? Immigration, Cultural Catholicism, Birth rates?
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« Reply #116 on: August 09, 2014, 08:28:28 PM »

Ireland is crappier than the UK. Until that changes, I don't see the status of NI changing.
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« Reply #117 on: August 10, 2014, 04:19:15 AM »

Given that Northern Ireland is now plurality Catholic (and in fact outnumber Protestants in Belfast), does anyone see it becoming majority Catholic within the next few decades?  

It will under current demographic trends, and quite soon at that.

Not that I think that will change the constitutional situation much.

Could you elaborate for the reasons behind this? Immigration, Cultural Catholicism, Birth rates?

Immigration (rather Protestant migration to the rest of the UK) and historically higher Catholic birth rates (fears of being out-bred has been a part of loyalist rhetoric for ages).
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« Reply #118 on: August 10, 2014, 02:56:13 PM »

Given that Northern Ireland is now plurality Catholic (and in fact outnumber Protestants in Belfast), does anyone see it becoming majority Catholic within the next few decades?  

The article says 48% Protestant or brought up Protestant vs. 45% Catholic or brought up Catholic. How is that a plurality?

;Regarding the constitutional issue the key figure is only 25% identifying as Irish only.
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« Reply #119 on: August 10, 2014, 06:47:15 PM »
« Edited: August 10, 2014, 06:52:23 PM by ObserverIE »

Given that Northern Ireland is now plurality Catholic (and in fact outnumber Protestants in Belfast), does anyone see it becoming majority Catholic within the next few decades?  

The article says 48% Protestant or brought up Protestant vs. 45% Catholic or brought up Catholic. How is that a plurality?

;Regarding the constitutional issue the key figure is only 25% identifying as Irish only.

Not necessarily (election results are what will determine the constitutional issue). "Northern Irish" can be read as being a regional identity within Irishness, or as a way of avoiding a binary British/Irish choice, or as a more "polite" way of being British without associating yourself with the yahoos who present themselves as the local standard-bearers of Britishness. Whatever you say, say as little as possible, to bowdlerise Heaney.
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« Reply #120 on: August 10, 2014, 07:01:29 PM »

Given that Northern Ireland is now plurality Catholic (and in fact outnumber Protestants in Belfast), does anyone see it becoming majority Catholic within the next few decades?  

The article says 48% Protestant or brought up Protestant vs. 45% Catholic or brought up Catholic. How is that a plurality?

Apologies.

When I saw this graph, I immediately jumped to the conclusion that Catholics had gained a plurality. 

Should have looked more closely... 
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« Reply #121 on: September 30, 2014, 09:26:51 AM »

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« Reply #122 on: September 30, 2014, 10:08:52 AM »


Back in the late 80s, Iris Robinson complained to Ulsterbus on behalf of her constituents about there being Irish language signage on suburban buses.

The signage was an ad for language courses in the Alliance Française.
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« Reply #123 on: September 30, 2014, 12:54:37 PM »


Back in the late 80s, Iris Robinson complained to Ulsterbus on behalf of her constituents about there being Irish language signage on suburban buses.

The signage was an ad for language courses in the Alliance Française.

Along the same lines:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/478513.stm
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« Reply #124 on: September 30, 2014, 01:19:59 PM »


Back in the late 80s, Iris Robinson complained to Ulsterbus on behalf of her constituents about there being Irish language signage on suburban buses.

The signage was an ad for language courses in the Alliance Française.

Along the same lines:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/478513.stm
(from 1999)

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