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exnaderite
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« on: December 10, 2007, 04:43:33 PM »

And why should such a sparsely populated country adopt population control?

The lack of water, maybe? Unless they can design humans that don't require water consumption...
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« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2007, 03:32:15 PM »

Not if the country is experiencing a one-in-a-thousand-year drought and taxpayers in some main cities have been forced to pay for expensive desalination and wastewater recycling plants.
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exnaderite
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« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2007, 04:40:18 PM »

And why should such a sparsely populated country adopt population control?

The lack of water, maybe? Unless they can design humans that don't require water consumption...

Theoretically, Australia's max pop is roughly 50 million, but it's optimal pop is 5 million. 25-28 million is the tipping point for sustainability of lifestyle.

How do you arrive at those conclusions?
Currently Australia's population is about 20 million and the population density is less than 3 people/ sq km.
By comparison the US population density is over 30.
UK is over 200 and Japan is over 300.

You do basically understand that a large part of the Australian landmass is essentially uninhabitable to all but the hardest types and neglected aborigionals. At present 90%(IIRC) of the population live near the coast and of those a vast majority are crammed into just 5 cities.

And yes this is a stupid idea. Not neccesarily a left-wing one though; but hey libertarians!
You expect libertarians to consider reality?
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« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2007, 01:44:56 PM »

This is a terrible idea. "Experts" like this douchebag wonder why the public doesn't respect them or listen to their ideas. I agree with Christians and the Vatican on this issue. People should be encouraged to have children, not punished.

Declining population growth is a problem in almost every Developed Country and even a few undeveloped ones. You can't have a functioning society if each woman has on average less than 2.1 children for long periods of time. I know this sounds technical and uncaring, but demography is destiny.

Australia of all places shouldn't be complaining about overpopulation. They need to get move people out of the 5 big cities and into the interior and rural parts of the country. I don't care how "uninhabitable" they are now. Its a waste of resources to leave all that land barren. The rights of Aborigines should be respected of course, but there is land outside the Reserves. Canada and Siberia have lots of land available too. Just because its too "cold" is no excuse for those places not to be developed more.

Because moving millions into a barren wasteland and hoping it would work worked sooooo well in the Soviet Union. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2007, 06:55:12 PM »

Because moving millions into a barren wasteland and hoping it would work worked sooooo well in the Soviet Union. Roll Eyes
Other than the natives getting uppity and blowing sh**t up from time to time, Israel has done a pretty good job of reclaiming "waste lands".  link

You're comparing apples to oranges because:
1) Israel still has the Sea of Galilee and Jordan River as significant water sources. THe Australian Outback has none of this, other than maybe underground sources that won't be renewed.

2) Israel only needs short aqueducts, while Australian taxpayers would foot the bill for massive desalination plants and pipelines hundreds of miles into the outback.

3) Israeli agriculture is intensive due to the country's density. A scheme like that in Australia would likely grow extensive crops such as grains due to the geography.

4) Much of the existing farmland is already on the verge of turning to wasteland due to unsustainable water practices. Why expand farmland when existing ones are threatened?

5) I doubt Australia's people and politicians are willing to swallow the bill for thousands of miles of roads to facilitate transport, schools and hospitals to serve colonizers, a huge bureaucracy that goes with it, and so on. If you go on Google Earth and focus on central Saudi Arabia you can see green circles, which are only possible since:
  • They have unlimited amounts of money to spend
  • So they can afford massive desalinization plants and pipelines
  • Even then, the wheat grown is bought by the state monopoly at vastly above-market rates, which is only possible due to the unlimited amounts of money they can spend
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