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« on: December 20, 2007, 12:28:31 PM »
do you agree that this ticket would have done better than kerry/edwards.

i think gephardt could have pushed kerry over the top in iowa and *possibly* in missouri.
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« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2007, 01:03:37 PM »
Maybe a little better. It would have given Kerry a better shot at Missouri, though it would by no means have guaranteed him a win there. I don't know about Iowa.
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« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2007, 10:42:58 PM »
Excellent question.  It's not clear how much, if at all, Gephardt's lackluster showing in the primary would have carried over into the general.  I wonder if Gephardt might have gotten just enough labor union support in Ohio to swing the state?  And yeah, there was the close shave in Iowa for Kerry, too.  It wouldn't have taken a lot of votes to turn it.
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« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2007, 12:36:28 AM »
Kerry takes Iowa, but he still loses Ohio and the election.
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« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2007, 12:39:54 AM »
Gephardt's 11% in the IA caucuses demonstrate what a force he would have been as a VP candidate in the state.
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« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2007, 02:16:47 AM »
Gephardt would have made some difference, adding to the gravitas and Presidential aire of the ticket in addition to appealing to the labor unions.  I'm not sure if any states would have changed position, but Iowa and Ohio would be the most likely.
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« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2007, 11:25:54 AM »
why would Gephardt have been more helpful to Kerry in IA than Edwards was when Edwards tripled Gephardt's vote total in the caucuses?  please enlighten me.
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« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2007, 01:35:48 PM »
Quote from: © Boss Tweed on December 23, 2007, 11:25:54 AM
why would Gephardt have been more helpful to Kerry in IA than Edwards was when Edwards tripled Gephardt's vote total in the caucuses?  please enlighten me.
Iowa's caucus electorate is hardly representative of the general election electorate.
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« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2007, 02:24:55 PM »
Quote from: Preston on December 23, 2007, 01:35:48 PM
Quote from: © Boss Tweed on December 23, 2007, 11:25:54 AM
why would Gephardt have been more helpful to Kerry in IA than Edwards was when Edwards tripled Gephardt's vote total in the caucuses?  please enlighten me.
Iowa's caucus electorate is hardly representative of the general election electorate.

that hardly does anything to prove Geph > Edwards in IA.  remember Edwards was a very popular figure nationally around this time period.  but the burden of proof is on your side.  so I'll step aside and let you proceed.
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« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2007, 03:24:56 PM »
A Kerry/Gephardt ticket would have done much better in the Midwest than in RL. Iowa would go to the Democrats and would have made Missouri up for grabs. If Kerry managed to win both of these states we would have become 44th President of the United States.
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« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2007, 07:11:51 PM »
Kerry only had 251 EVs.  251 + IA + MO would be 269, which sends it to the HOR.  unless you think the MN elector wouldn't have f***ed up had his/her vote mattered.
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« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2007, 03:00:15 AM »
Quote from: © Boss Tweed on December 23, 2007, 07:11:51 PM
Kerry only had 251 EVs.  251 + IA + MO would be 269, which sends it to the HOR.  unless you think the MN elector wouldn't have f***ed up had his/her vote mattered.

Oh sh**t. I forgot about that faithless elector that voted for John Edwards. Thanks Tweed.
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« Reply #12 on: December 25, 2007, 10:47:29 PM »
Quote from: Lt. Governor Rockefeller Republican on December 23, 2007, 03:24:56 PM
A Kerry/Gephardt ticket would have done much better in the Midwest than in RL. Iowa would go to the Democrats and would have made Missouri up for grabs. If Kerry managed to win both of these states we would have become 44th President of the United States.

Kerry/Edwards won 46% in MO. Would the presence of a politician with the charisma of a graham cracker have boosted Kerry by 4%?
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« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2007, 05:40:03 PM »
Quote from: © Boss Tweed on December 23, 2007, 07:11:51 PM
Kerry only had 251 EVs.  251 + IA + MO would be 269, which sends it to the HOR.  unless you think the MN elector wouldn't have f***ed up had his/her vote mattered.
Of couse he wouldn't have.
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« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2007, 12:24:49 PM »
Kerry was a buffoon in choosing John Edwards as his running mate.   It hurt Kerry.  And it only gave the Breck girl encouragement for a 2008 run.
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« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2008, 02:49:35 PM »
Gephardt would've helped Kerry in Ohio more than in Missouri. He was the favored candidate of organized labor and would've caused fewer working class voters to defect to Bush.
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« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2008, 01:59:56 PM »
To be honest, I think Edwards/Kerry would have been a stronger ticket than Kerry/Edwards.
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