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« on: December 21, 2007, 04:41:02 am »
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I really like examing trends in poll results, and even though Gallup has rather wordy questions, they retain the same phraseology over time in many of the questions so as to allow valid comparison.

In this case, the specific question posed was:

"Do you think there should or should not be a law that would ban the possession of handguns, except by the police and other authorized persons?"

Date          Should          Should Not          Difference

  3/91            43%                  53%                   10%

  3/93            42                     54                      12

  4/99            38                     59                      21

10/04            36                     63                      27

10/07            30                     68                      38


Difference    -13                   +15                      28
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« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2007, 09:03:03 am »
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Amen Amen, they are seeing the light!   Now pardon me while I adorn my Christmas tree with bright shiny bullets that glow so lovely in the tree light.
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« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2007, 09:03:48 am »
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Oh, you crazy Americans.
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« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2007, 09:07:03 am »
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« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2007, 09:50:44 am »
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One of the few freedoms Americans are near the top at!
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« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2007, 09:52:55 am »
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One of the few freedoms Americans are near the top at!

That's because you're the only people who consider it an essential freedom. Tongue
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« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2007, 10:14:34 am »
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I'm surprised there are that many against the possession of hand guns.  Maybe they are confusing the ownership with the ability to carry a concealed weapon? 
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« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2007, 01:45:11 pm »
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One of the few freedoms Americans are near the top at!

That's because you're the only people who consider it an essential freedom. Tongue
The Swiss are even free'r. (free'r?)
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« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2007, 01:48:25 pm »
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I'm surprised there are that many against the possession of hand guns.  Maybe they are confusing the ownership with the ability to carry a concealed weapon? 
They actually think that regular citizens owning hand guns makes for a more dangerous society.  And yet they claim to love freedoms.  Odd I know.
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« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2007, 02:02:39 pm »
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One of the few freedoms Americans are near the top at!

That's because you're the only people who consider it an essential freedom. Tongue
The Swiss are even free'r. (free'r?)

I believe "more free" is the proper way to state that.  "Freeer" would probably be the correct way to spell it though.
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« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2007, 03:18:30 pm »
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One of the few freedoms Americans are near the top at!

That's because you're the only people who consider it an essential freedom. Tongue
The Swiss are even free'r. (free'r?)

I believe "more free" is the proper way to state that.  "Freeer" would probably be the correct way to spell it though.

Sure MODU.. you claim to love freedom but confine yourself to the harsh rules of the English language.  Freedom hater! Tongue
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« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2007, 03:32:10 pm »
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« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2007, 04:31:18 pm »
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Crazy people at it again.
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« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2007, 07:01:48 pm »
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"Do you think there should or should not be a law that would ban the possession of handguns, except by the police and other authorized persons?"

Date          Should          Should Not          Difference

  3/91            43%                  53%                   10%

  3/93            42                     54                      12

  4/99            38                     59                      21

10/04            36                     63                      27

10/07            30                     68                      38


Difference    -13                   +15                      28

This is always good to see.  Smiley

Hopefully the Supreme Court would move in the same direction, and besides striking down gun-bans at all levels of government, also make clear once and for all that the Second Amendment right to bear arms applies to individuals (i.e. American citizens) -not only to government-created bodies like the National Guard and the regular military. 
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« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2007, 07:17:49 pm »
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« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2007, 07:28:57 pm »
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The issue that makes so many international people unnerved, even if, like Switzerland you have quite open gun laws, is the utter obsession that people have with this. If a well-armed citizenry made for a safer society, then America would be the safest country in the world... it's not. The over-abundance of guns leads to situations that interested parties can claim their need for them.

Need I point out that all the guns in the massacres, Columbine, V/Tech, all the other school shootings, the Omaha mall shooting were all legally obtained.

The logic of the gun lobby, completely boggles my mind.
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« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2007, 07:35:25 pm »
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Note that the question is asking simply if private citizens should be allowed to carry handguns. That's currently legal in Canada, in most of Europe including France, (UK = the exception, not the rule) and I'm pretty sure it's legal in Australia. There's nothing radical or unusual about the US allowing private handgun ownership.
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« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2007, 07:39:16 pm »
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No, it most certianly isnt legal to carry handguns in Australia.

But as far as I'm concerned the two ideas are linked anyway. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Australia
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« Reply #18 on: December 21, 2007, 07:47:57 pm »
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Note that the question is asking simply if private citizens should be allowed to carry handguns. That's currently legal in Canada, in most of Europe including France, (UK = the exception, not the rule) and I'm pretty sure it's legal in Australia. There's nothing radical or unusual about the US allowing private handgun ownership.
Neither is it in Denmark, nor Sweden, and I'm pretty sure that the Germans don't allow widespread handgun ownership.
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Need I point out that all the guns in the massacres, Columbine, V/Tech, all the other school shootings, the Omaha mall shooting were all legally obtained.
You can point it out all you want, but it doesn't make it true.  Cite?
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« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2007, 08:55:07 pm »
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There's nothing radical or unusual about the US allowing private handgun ownership.

Yeah, there is.
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Need I point out that all the guns in the massacres, Columbine, V/Tech, all the other school shootings, the Omaha mall shooting were all legally obtained.
You can point it out all you want, but it doesn't make it true.  Cite?

http://www.roanoke.com/news/nrv/breaking/wb/113294
- Virginia Tech

I'm still hunting for the others, I've heard something about others, so I'm tracking them down.

Although the complete unwillingness to accept that this gun obsession and over abundance doesn't have significant negative consequences is quite staggering.
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« Reply #22 on: December 21, 2007, 09:17:45 pm »
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Like in Switzerland.
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« Reply #23 on: December 21, 2007, 09:21:46 pm »
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Like in Switzerland.

No, in Switzerland guns are not treated as sacred.

Yes, the availibility is similar to the US (in fact well beyond), but yet, they don't go bonkers over them.
Also the Swiss laws will change next year when they become part of the Schengen treaty. The Swiss also restrict the degrees to which weapons can be carried outside of homes.

Plus the US has a sizeable military, the circumstances between the US and Switzerland on this key issue is so different that comparisons are pointless. Mind you the 2nd amendment was quite similar to this, mind you it was written before there was a standing Army.
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« Reply #24 on: December 21, 2007, 09:34:23 pm »
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Like in Switzerland.

Mind you the 2nd amendment was quite similar to this, mind you it was written before there was a standing Army.

Excuse me, but, there was indeed a standing army at the time the Second Amendment was adopted, if a rather small one.

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