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LINCOLN REPUBLICAN
Winfield
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Can McCain defeat Obama?
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December 21, 2007, 06:14:06 pm »
If McCain pulls off an upset and wins the Republican nomination, and if Obama pulls off an upset and wins the Democratic nomination, can McCain defeat Obama?
Please discuss.
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Lief
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Re: Can McCain defeat Obama?
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December 21, 2007, 06:15:26 pm »
Yes. Obama isn't a very strong candidate.
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NDN
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Re: Can McCain defeat Obama?
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December 21, 2007, 07:05:23 pm »
Quote from: Tammany Hall Republican on December 21, 2007, 06:14:06 pm
If McCain pulls off an upset and wins the Republican nomination, and if Obama pulls off an upset and wins the Democratic nomination, can McCain defeat Obama?
Please discuss.
No, unless Iraq is somehow neutralized as an issue.
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ABANDON ALL HOPE
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polnut
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Re: Can McCain defeat Obama?
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December 21, 2007, 07:37:35 pm »
Quote from: Lief on December 21, 2007, 06:15:26 pm
Yes. Obama isn't a very strong candidate.
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agcatter
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Re: Can McCain defeat Obama?
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December 21, 2007, 10:33:34 pm »
Absolutely. McCain sweeps the south and if you'vr followed the polls, Obama has not been as strong as Hillary in Ohio. I don't know if it is the black thing or what it is. With Ohio and Florida, Republicans hit the magic 270 just like 2000 and 2004.
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Padfoot
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Re: Can McCain defeat Obama?
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December 22, 2007, 12:18:57 am »
Quote from: Temporary Republican on December 21, 2007, 07:05:23 pm
Quote from: Tammany Hall Republican on December 21, 2007, 06:14:06 pm
If McCain pulls off an upset and wins the Republican nomination, and if Obama pulls off an upset and wins the Democratic nomination, can McCain defeat Obama?
Please discuss.
No, unless Iraq is somehow neutralized as an issue.
From the front page of the Columbus Dispatch:
War in Iraq no longer the primary concern
And i agree that Obama is a weak candidate especially against McCain who is probably the strongest Republican.
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Aizen
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Re: Can McCain defeat Obama?
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December 22, 2007, 12:23:14 am »
McCain can beat any of the Dem candidates
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JSojourner
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Re: Can McCain defeat Obama?
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December 23, 2007, 04:28:21 pm »
Quote from: Aizen on December 22, 2007, 12:23:14 am
McCain can beat any of the Dem candidates
I'm tempted to agree. A lot depends on how successful McCain is at distancing himself from the Bush Administration. If he can craft a "I support the war in Iraq, but unlike Bush, I will get it right" message -- then he's in. (Barring a major scandal or stumble.)
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auburntiger
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Re: Can McCain defeat Obama?
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December 24, 2007, 12:18:58 am »
Yes he can and probably will. The map might look something like this:
McCain takes PA a la Florida 2000 (margin of victory that is), minus the fiasco. For his own sake, Obama would be wise to wait until 2012, so that he doesn't become a defeated candidate.
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Reaganfan
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Re: Can McCain defeat Obama?
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December 24, 2007, 12:20:56 am »
People like McCain because he was hurt or something in Vietnam. He's older and wiser, too. I think McCain might win but it would be close because Obama is new.
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So the Heroes Fall
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December 24, 2007, 12:24:08 am »
Back when McCain was the frontrunner, he didn't poll so hot in the GE. That's because he was getting bashed nonstop over Iraq. Now he does better since he isn't getting thrashed.
Nominate him, and he'll get thrashed again, and his numbers will sink like a stone. I remember when Democrats here considered him less of a threat than Romney or Thompson. That's amusing in retrospect (Thompson being a stronger candidate than McCain is the type of thing that makes you want to burst out laughing now), but still shows more evidence toward the above theory.
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HardRCafé
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December 24, 2007, 12:26:48 am »
Quote from: Jessica Walterstein on December 24, 2007, 12:20:56 am
People like McCain because he was hurt or something in Vietnam.
Feed the troll, folks! Then complain about it. Then feed it some more.
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Reaganfan
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December 24, 2007, 01:02:05 am »
McCain WAS hurt in Vietnam and people like that he served. What do trolls have to do with that?
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Nutmeg
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Re: Can McCain defeat Obama?
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December 24, 2007, 04:12:09 am »
Quote from: Lief on December 21, 2007, 06:15:26 pm
Yes. Obama isn't a very strong candidate.
Unlike yours, who blew his chance in 2004 as a presidential candidate and then again as a vice presidential candidate. That was quite a performance.
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BRTD
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Re: Can McCain defeat Obama?
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December 24, 2007, 04:36:09 am »
Quote from: HardRCafé on December 24, 2007, 12:26:48 am
Quote from: Jessica Walterstein on December 24, 2007, 12:20:56 am
People like McCain because he was hurt or something in Vietnam.
Feed the troll, folks! Then complain about it. Then feed it some more.
Listen to HardR folks, he's actually got a point for once.
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Stranger in a strange land
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Re: Can McCain defeat Obama?
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December 26, 2007, 03:09:05 pm »
Yes: McCain is by far the strongest candidate: the only question is whether or not the Republicans will have enough sense to nominate him.
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Secretary Polnut
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December 26, 2007, 08:19:31 pm »
A McCain-Obama race is the one that makes me the most queasy.
I just have this vision of Reagan/Mondale all over again.
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jeron
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Re: Can McCain defeat Obama?
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January 21, 2008, 01:36:21 pm »
Quote from: Fmr Gov. Polnut on December 26, 2007, 08:19:31 pm
A McCain-Obama race is the one that makes me the most queasy.
I just have this vision of Reagan/Mondale all over again.
I don't think it's going to be that bad.
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Prez Duke
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Re: Can McCain defeat Obama?
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January 21, 2008, 01:40:25 pm »
The independents would have a hard time deciding, but if McCain can make an issue out of Obama's youth and inexperience, then it may be a comfortable win for him.
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MarkWarner08
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Re: Can McCain defeat Obama?
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January 21, 2008, 02:44:48 pm »
Quote from: Fmr Gov. Polnut on December 26, 2007, 08:19:31 pm
A McCain-Obama race is the one that makes me the most queasy.
I just have this vision of Reagan/Mondale all over again.
Huh? When did Obama become a boring old Minnesotan with a penchant for telling the truth about fiscal realties? I also don't remember McCain defeating a Democratic President in a landslide...
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Nym90
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Re: Can McCain defeat Obama?
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January 21, 2008, 05:31:04 pm »
Very unlikely, but it could happen if Obama were to fall victim to some scandal or other skeleton from his background, or makes some major gaffes.
My prediction map would have all of the Kerry states going to Obama plus Ohio, Florida, Iowa and Missouri.
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phk
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Re: Can McCain defeat Obama?
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January 21, 2008, 05:53:55 pm »
Yes definitely.
Hold all Bush states barring Iowa.
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angus
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Re: Can McCain defeat Obama?
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January 21, 2008, 05:54:05 pm »
Quote from: Democrats For Romney on December 21, 2007, 06:14:06 pm
If McCain pulls off an upset and wins the Republican nomination, and if Obama pulls off an upset and wins the Democratic nomination, can McCain defeat Obama?
Please discuss.
People seem to want to get away from the Bush era, and he's even Bushier than Bush, but many Republicans seem to like McCain. I have a hard time understanding why anyone except the hard-core foreign policy neoconservatives like him, but many centrists seem to like him as well. And if things go well in Iraq, it will vindicate what may eventually become known as the McCain Doctrine. Also, if McCain's age is fair game, then so is Obama's. There's a big difference between them, and some will see McCain's age as much more appropriate for a US President's. McCain also can claim bragging rights to much legislation. I don't agree with lots of it, but some folks will. So, yeah, I think he can defeat Obama.
I'll admit that if it comes down to McCain versus Obama, I'll probably vote for Obama.
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J. J.
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Re: Can McCain defeat Obama?
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January 21, 2008, 05:54:39 pm »
Quote from: Nym90 on January 21, 2008, 05:31:04 pm
Very unlikely, but it could happen if Obama were to fall victim to some scandal or other skeleton from his background, or makes some major gaffes.
My prediction map would have all of the Kerry states going to Obama plus Ohio, Florida, Iowa and Missouri.
Obama, right now, will look too left wing and too inexperienced against McCain. Think 1988.
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J. J.
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Mr.Phips
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Re: Can McCain defeat Obama?
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January 21, 2008, 05:55:27 pm »
Quote from: angus on January 21, 2008, 05:54:05 pm
Quote from: Democrats For Romney on December 21, 2007, 06:14:06 pm
If McCain pulls off an upset and wins the Republican nomination, and if Obama pulls off an upset and wins the Democratic nomination, can McCain defeat Obama?
Please discuss.
People seem to want to get away from the Bush era, and he's even Bushier than Bush, but many Republicans seem to like McCain. I have a hard time understanding why anyone except the hard-core foreign policy neoconservatives like him, but many centrists seem to like him as well. And if things go well in Iraq, it will vindicate what may eventually become known as the McCain Doctrine. Also, if McCain's age is fair game, then so is Obama's. There's a big difference between them, and some will see McCain's age as much more appropriate for a US President's. McCain also can claim bragging rights to much legislation. I don't agree with lots of it, but some folks will. So, yeah, I think he can defeat Obama.
I'll admit that if it comes down to McCain versus Obama, I'll probably vote for Obama.
Obama would likely beat McCain, but McCain will probably beat Clinton. The charisma gap would be in McCain's favor with Clinton.
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