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« Reply #1600 on: April 05, 2012, 12:05:25 am »
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Holy crap; I started this thread nearly 4.5 years ago.  I've been on this forum too long Tongue
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« Reply #1601 on: April 05, 2012, 07:22:38 am »
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@JJ, TR got the Medal of Honor psthumoisly in 2001 as I recall.
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« Reply #1602 on: April 05, 2012, 10:22:52 am »
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@JJ, TR got the Medal of Honor psthumoisly in 2001 as I recall.

Correct.

Now, who won the highest valor award during his lifetime?  And this is surprising. 

Consider, that they had no valor awards until the 1860's and that until WW I, they only had the MOH.  That should limit it a bit.
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« Reply #1603 on: April 05, 2012, 03:21:49 pm »
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« Reply #1604 on: April 05, 2012, 07:00:22 pm »
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I don't think he ever served.  There are actually relatively presidents that are old enough to have fought in World War I, or a later war.  Valor medal are usually given only for actions involving contact with an enemy.
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« Reply #1605 on: April 05, 2012, 07:09:57 pm »
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I don't think he ever served.  There are actually relatively presidents that are old enough to have fought in World War I, or a later war.  Valor medal are usually given only for actions involving contact with an enemy.

Presidents who didn't serve, by the way:
Adams (both)
Van Buren
Cleveland
Taft
Wilson
Harding
Coolidge
Hoover
FDR
Clinton
Obama.
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« Reply #1606 on: April 05, 2012, 07:17:19 pm »
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I don't think he ever served.  There are actually relatively presidents that are old enough to have fought in World War I, or a later war.  Valor medal are usually given only for actions involving contact with an enemy.
Hope you noticed the smiley. Silent Cal was the most unlikely I could think of.
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« Reply #1607 on: April 05, 2012, 08:03:15 pm »

Now, who won the highest valor award during his lifetime?  And this is surprising.

What's so surprising? George H. W. Bush - Distinguished Flying Cross

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« Reply #1608 on: April 06, 2012, 04:43:21 am »
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Phew. I read your reply and for a second overlooked the H. [/wipes sweat off brow]
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« Reply #1609 on: April 06, 2012, 01:41:46 pm »
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Now, who won the highest valor award during his lifetime?  And this is surprising.
What's so surprising? George H. W. Bush - Distinguished Flying Cross
If that's correct, it is not surprising at all. He would have been my guess if J. J. hadn't said the answer was "surprising".
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« Reply #1610 on: April 07, 2012, 12:17:59 am »

Now, who won the highest valor award during his lifetime?  And this is surprising.
What's so surprising? George H. W. Bush - Distinguished Flying Cross
If that's correct, it is not surprising at all. He would have been my guess if J. J. hadn't said the answer was "surprising".
You tend to think most of Ike when you think of military presidents, but he was stuck stateside during the Great War and by World War II he was too far removed from the fighting to likely be in a situation where he would win a valor award.

Also, JFK's award for what happened after the PT-109 was sunk, the Navy and Marine Corps Medal, is considered a non-valor award, since it was for heroic actions that took place outside combat.  (It's also junior to the DFC even if it were a valor award.)

If it had been in existence at the time, Ford probably would have gotten a Navy and Marine Corps Achievement Medal for his actions in saving the USS Monterey.  If he'd had the connections Jack had, he likely would have gotten a Bronze Star, but he didn't, so he was one of many who might have gotten a Bronze Star in World War II, but did not.
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« Reply #1611 on: April 07, 2012, 12:24:23 am »
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LBJ got probably the most undeserved Silver Star in history (for being a passenger on a bomber for all of 8 minutes of combat).
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« Reply #1612 on: April 07, 2012, 02:19:56 am »

LBJ got probably the most undeserved Silver Star in history (for being a passenger on a bomber for all of 8 minutes of combat).

And that trumps a DFC, but it wasn't even 8 minutes of combat.  No wonder JJ said it was surprising.  I could see Johnson getting an Air Medal for his little joyride, but even if his aircraft hadn't had to turn back for mechanical reasons, there is no way what he did was Silver Star worthy or even DFC worthy.
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« Reply #1613 on: April 08, 2012, 06:41:46 pm »
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LBJ got probably the most undeserved Silver Star in history (for being a passenger on a bomber for all of 8 minutes of combat).

LBJ is the correct answer.  The Silver Star is both a higher award than the DFC.  Also naval aviators can receive the DFC as a non-valor award.   His citation does not show a "valor device."  http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq10-2.htm
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« Reply #1614 on: April 08, 2012, 07:01:26 pm »
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LBJ got probably the most undeserved Silver Star in history (for being a passenger on a bomber for all of 8 minutes of combat).

And that trumps a DFC, but it wasn't even 8 minutes of combat.  No wonder JJ said it was surprising.  I could see Johnson getting an Air Medal for his little joyride, but even if his aircraft hadn't had to turn back for mechanical reasons, there is no way what he did was Silver Star worthy or even DFC worthy.

It was surprising, because of the limited involvement LBJ had in the action.  He was there on a fact finding mission, and not a direct combatant. 

In most of Johnson's official photographs as president, he can be seen wearing the Silver Star lapel pin.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_B._Johnson

JFK's Navy and Marine Corps Medal, while rarely awarded and marks heroism that, if in combat, is worthy of the Medal of Honor, is not considered a valor award and is considered lower ranking than the Silver Star.
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« Reply #1615 on: April 08, 2012, 07:14:43 pm »
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If it had been in existence at the time, Ford probably would have gotten a Navy and Marine Corps Achievement Medal for his actions in saving the USS Monterey.  If he'd had the connections Jack had, he likely would have gotten a Bronze Star, but he didn't, so he was one of many who might have gotten a Bronze Star in World War II, but did not.

The Achievement Medal now is generally given for basically doing your (noncombatant) job reasonably well.  A friend of mine won several of the Army version by being stationed in Philadelphia with a National Guard band unit (and never being promoted above Specialist).  Smiley
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« Reply #1616 on: April 14, 2012, 04:12:32 pm »
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Here's one I just read about: Which former presidential candidate accidentally killed a young girl?
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« Reply #1617 on: April 14, 2012, 04:36:56 pm »
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Ted Kennedy?
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« Reply #1618 on: April 14, 2012, 05:45:49 pm »
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By "young" I mean a minor.

It's someone who got a party nomination and may or may not have gotten the presidency.
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« Reply #1619 on: April 14, 2012, 07:05:30 pm »
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Here's one I just read about: Which former presidential candidate accidentally killed a young girl?

Ted Kennedy, though that probably isn't the one you are thinking about.
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« Reply #1620 on: April 15, 2012, 10:34:54 am »
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Nope, not him. Once again, this person got the nomination, and it was a minor, not the Chappaquiddick incident.
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« Reply #1621 on: April 16, 2012, 09:26:49 pm »
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A hint: It was with a gun.
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« Reply #1622 on: April 16, 2012, 11:43:16 pm »
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John McCain?
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« Reply #1623 on: April 17, 2012, 02:03:46 pm »
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No, military service doesn't count.
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« Reply #1624 on: April 17, 2012, 05:46:38 pm »
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Andrew Jackson dueled at least 13 people, so was one of them a minor?
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