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« Reply #1600 on: February 27, 2012, 01:14:27 pm »
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Who was the last president to use slave labor?
"President to use" (as opposed to "have used") seems to imply while in office. While "use slave labour" is incredibly vague and certainly is not limited to having owned slaves.
Abe Lincoln, then.


I believe Wilson was the last president to have ever at any point in his life used slaves.

Someone else actually "used" slave labor, as an adult, though he did not own them.  He directly administered them.

Wilson may have been served by slaves, but he didn't direct them.

Hint:  He used them as field laborers.
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« Reply #1601 on: February 27, 2012, 07:15:25 pm »
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Uh... Grant?
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« Reply #1602 on: February 27, 2012, 09:31:46 pm »
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Uh... Grant?

Correct.  Smiley

What is the highest US military award for valor awarded to a president:

A.  During his lifetime?

B.  Posthumously?

Name the president(s).
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« Reply #1603 on: February 28, 2012, 12:08:22 pm »
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Eisenhower and Washington?
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« Reply #1604 on: February 28, 2012, 03:14:10 pm »
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Eisenhower and Washington?

Wrong and you must give the award, e.g. John F. Kennedy - Navy Cross - Posthumous  (JFK never won the Navy Cross).)
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« Reply #1605 on: March 03, 2012, 11:16:37 pm »
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What is the highest US military award for valor awarded to a president:

A.  During his lifetime?

B.  Posthumously?

Name the president(s).

Nobody has it yet? 
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« Reply #1606 on: March 26, 2012, 09:07:16 pm »

Since the questions here haven't been solely about presidential election results, I'm thinking of moving this thread to the History board if there are no objections.
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« Reply #1607 on: March 26, 2012, 09:14:04 pm »
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I think it is a good idea.
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« Reply #1608 on: April 04, 2012, 10:19:57 pm »

Please welcome to this board the Presidential Trivia thread, lately of the U.S. Presidential Election Results board.  It had expanded beyond its original focus on electoral trivia to any sort of presidential trivia, and it had become somewhat moribund on its original board.  A change of residence should do it some good.
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« Reply #1609 on: April 05, 2012, 12:05:25 am »
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Holy crap; I started this thread nearly 4.5 years ago.  I've been on this forum too long Tongue
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« Reply #1610 on: April 05, 2012, 07:22:38 am »
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@JJ, TR got the Medal of Honor psthumoisly in 2001 as I recall.
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« Reply #1611 on: April 05, 2012, 10:22:52 am »
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@JJ, TR got the Medal of Honor psthumoisly in 2001 as I recall.

Correct.

Now, who won the highest valor award during his lifetime?  And this is surprising. 

Consider, that they had no valor awards until the 1860's and that until WW I, they only had the MOH.  That should limit it a bit.
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« Reply #1612 on: April 05, 2012, 03:21:49 pm »
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« Reply #1613 on: April 05, 2012, 07:00:22 pm »
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I don't think he ever served.  There are actually relatively presidents that are old enough to have fought in World War I, or a later war.  Valor medal are usually given only for actions involving contact with an enemy.
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« Reply #1614 on: April 05, 2012, 07:09:57 pm »
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I don't think he ever served.  There are actually relatively presidents that are old enough to have fought in World War I, or a later war.  Valor medal are usually given only for actions involving contact with an enemy.

Presidents who didn't serve, by the way:
Adams (both)
Van Buren
Cleveland
Taft
Wilson
Harding
Coolidge
Hoover
FDR
Clinton
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« Reply #1615 on: April 05, 2012, 07:17:19 pm »
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I don't think he ever served.  There are actually relatively presidents that are old enough to have fought in World War I, or a later war.  Valor medal are usually given only for actions involving contact with an enemy.
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« Reply #1616 on: April 05, 2012, 08:03:15 pm »

Now, who won the highest valor award during his lifetime?  And this is surprising.

What's so surprising? George H. W. Bush - Distinguished Flying Cross

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« Reply #1617 on: April 06, 2012, 04:43:21 am »
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Phew. I read your reply and for a second overlooked the H. [/wipes sweat off brow]
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« Reply #1618 on: April 06, 2012, 01:41:46 pm »
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Now, who won the highest valor award during his lifetime?  And this is surprising.
What's so surprising? George H. W. Bush - Distinguished Flying Cross
If that's correct, it is not surprising at all. He would have been my guess if J. J. hadn't said the answer was "surprising".
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« Reply #1619 on: April 07, 2012, 12:17:59 am »

Now, who won the highest valor award during his lifetime?  And this is surprising.
What's so surprising? George H. W. Bush - Distinguished Flying Cross
If that's correct, it is not surprising at all. He would have been my guess if J. J. hadn't said the answer was "surprising".
You tend to think most of Ike when you think of military presidents, but he was stuck stateside during the Great War and by World War II he was too far removed from the fighting to likely be in a situation where he would win a valor award.

Also, JFK's award for what happened after the PT-109 was sunk, the Navy and Marine Corps Medal, is considered a non-valor award, since it was for heroic actions that took place outside combat.  (It's also junior to the DFC even if it were a valor award.)

If it had been in existence at the time, Ford probably would have gotten a Navy and Marine Corps Achievement Medal for his actions in saving the USS Monterey.  If he'd had the connections Jack had, he likely would have gotten a Bronze Star, but he didn't, so he was one of many who might have gotten a Bronze Star in World War II, but did not.
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« Reply #1620 on: April 07, 2012, 12:24:23 am »
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LBJ got probably the most undeserved Silver Star in history (for being a passenger on a bomber for all of 8 minutes of combat).
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« Reply #1621 on: April 07, 2012, 02:19:56 am »

LBJ got probably the most undeserved Silver Star in history (for being a passenger on a bomber for all of 8 minutes of combat).

And that trumps a DFC, but it wasn't even 8 minutes of combat.  No wonder JJ said it was surprising.  I could see Johnson getting an Air Medal for his little joyride, but even if his aircraft hadn't had to turn back for mechanical reasons, there is no way what he did was Silver Star worthy or even DFC worthy.
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« Reply #1622 on: April 08, 2012, 06:41:46 pm »
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LBJ got probably the most undeserved Silver Star in history (for being a passenger on a bomber for all of 8 minutes of combat).

LBJ is the correct answer.  The Silver Star is both a higher award than the DFC.  Also naval aviators can receive the DFC as a non-valor award.   His citation does not show a "valor device."  http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq10-2.htm
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« Reply #1623 on: April 08, 2012, 07:01:26 pm »
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LBJ got probably the most undeserved Silver Star in history (for being a passenger on a bomber for all of 8 minutes of combat).

And that trumps a DFC, but it wasn't even 8 minutes of combat.  No wonder JJ said it was surprising.  I could see Johnson getting an Air Medal for his little joyride, but even if his aircraft hadn't had to turn back for mechanical reasons, there is no way what he did was Silver Star worthy or even DFC worthy.

It was surprising, because of the limited involvement LBJ had in the action.  He was there on a fact finding mission, and not a direct combatant. 

In most of Johnson's official photographs as president, he can be seen wearing the Silver Star lapel pin.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_B._Johnson

JFK's Navy and Marine Corps Medal, while rarely awarded and marks heroism that, if in combat, is worthy of the Medal of Honor, is not considered a valor award and is considered lower ranking than the Silver Star.
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« Reply #1624 on: April 08, 2012, 07:14:43 pm »
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If it had been in existence at the time, Ford probably would have gotten a Navy and Marine Corps Achievement Medal for his actions in saving the USS Monterey.  If he'd had the connections Jack had, he likely would have gotten a Bronze Star, but he didn't, so he was one of many who might have gotten a Bronze Star in World War II, but did not.

The Achievement Medal now is generally given for basically doing your (noncombatant) job reasonably well.  A friend of mine won several of the Army version by being stationed in Philadelphia with a National Guard band unit (and never being promoted above Specialist).  Smiley
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