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« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2004, 05:48:59 am »
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Wow...You're knowledge of geography is astounding, Lewis.  
For countries that have multiple districts, maybe you could list how many districts each country has and separate them out by spaces in your lists...it would be more readable that way.
I just looked up anything I could look up...
I'll edit it for readability.
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« Reply #26 on: August 09, 2004, 05:49:52 am »
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You are currently working on a map for us aren't you Lewis.  *Looks up hopefully*

I love maps.
I hereby appoint you my mapmaker. Smiley
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« Reply #27 on: August 09, 2004, 05:51:32 am »
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This is really cool Lewis.  A great starting point for initiating global socialism.  We will start by assessing needs within the newly created districts.  Then we can begin organization of the One World Socialist Order and have  the UN redistribute wealth on a global scale so that everyone's basic needs are met: housing, clean water, enough food, free education and freedom of worship.  

Marx is right.  It is inevitable.  It's an idea that will never die and will win eventually.  From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.  So doable.  Will happen.

All in all it would cost maybe 20% of the current US defense budget, or roughly $100 bil. per year to meet the basic human rights of the world's population.  This is so doable.  If we can only get the righties to stop howling about putting blue helmets on our troops we could get to work.  Give it...maybe fifty years.

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I am saddened by the fact that you're probably not joking...you can't just pour money on problems and expect them to disappear.

And what's so bad about self-governance and letting peoples run their own countries the way they want?

My response is that a global federal system will of course include exensive guarantees of regional rights.  Self-governance will be the rule, the exception, rarely used to resolve inter-regional disputes will be the Global UN Fegeration Government.  The system will only work if we are past the tribal warfare stage of human deveolpment and evolution.

The other point is that you cannot just sit idly by seeing the enormous problems and expect them to disappear.  Is global suffering to be the rule of the day then?  Have you no compassion for those less fortunate than yourself?

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« Reply #28 on: August 09, 2004, 07:49:54 am »
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Here is a good source

http://www.world-gazetteer.com/fr/fr_np.htm
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« Reply #29 on: August 09, 2004, 10:04:06 am »
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Update:
Nepal West - Gorkha and Chitawan districts, all the districts west of that, and Parsa, Bara and Ratahat districts.
Nepal East - remainder

Bangla Desh:
Sylhet - Sylhet division
Rangpur (or Bangladesh NW) - Thakurgaon, Panchagarh, Dinajpur, Nilphamari, Latmonirhat, Rangpur zillas
Bogra - Kurigram, Gaibandhia, Bogra, Sirajganj, Joypurhat zillas
Rajshahi - Rajshahi, Nawabganj, Naogaon, Natore, Pabna zillas
Khulna - Khulna, Bagarhat, Satkhira, Narail zillas
Bangladesh West - remainder of Khulna division
Mymensingh - Mymensingh, Kirshoreganj, Netrokona zillas
Tangail - Jamalpur, Sherpur, Tangail, Gazipur, Narsinghdi zillas
Dhaka - Dhaka, Manikganj zillas
Bangladesh Central - remainder of Dhaka division
Barisal - Barisal division
Comilla - Comilla, Brahmanberia zillas
Noakhali - Chandpur, Lakshmipur, Noakhali, Feni zillas
Chittagong - Khagradhari, Chittagong, Bandarban, Rangarmati, Cox's Bazaar zillas

Cambodia
Cambodia South (or Phnom Penh) - Phnom Penh, Kendal, Prey Veaeng, Svay Rieng, Takaev, Kampot, Krong Kaeb, Krong Preah Sihanouk, Kampong Spueu, Kaoh Kang, Kampong Cham, Kampong Chhuang provinces
Cambodia North - Laos : remainder

Coming soon: Algeria, Myanmar.
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« Reply #30 on: August 09, 2004, 11:39:47 am »
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Darn beat me to it! Yeah that's got all the populations, although good luck with the provinces of China. I've done lists like this all the time, one thing I was thinking of, is perhaps the world would be represented with 1000 members? Might be a project for me in the future :-p
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« Reply #31 on: August 09, 2004, 12:38:05 pm »
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The site's population totals seem a bit high at times...
Anyways, all of these are from the site:
Myanmar
Myanmar East (Tanintharyi Region, Kyin, Kayah, Mon and Shan States)
Yangon (Yangon, Bago Regions)
Myanmar South (Ayayarawaddy Region, Rakhine State)
Mandalay (Mandalay Region, part of Mague Region)
Myanmar Central (Remainder of Mague Region, Sagaing Region, Chin, Kachin States)

Cameroon:
Cameroon North West: Nord, Nord Extreme, Adamaoua, Ouest, Nord-Ouest, Sud-Ouest
Cameroon South - etc: includes Littoral, Centre, Est, Sud

Kazakhstan:
North:
West Kazakhstan, Atyrau, Mankistau, Aktobe, Kostanai, North Kazakhstan, Astana, Pavlodar, East Kazakhstan
South:
Karagandi, Ahmecet, South Kazakhstan, Taraz, Almaty

Kenya:
West (Western, Nyanza, part of Rift Valley)
Nairobi (Nairobi, Central, remainder of Rift Valley)
East (Coastal, Eastern, North Eastern)

North Korea:
SW (or Pyongyang): Pyongyang, Nampo, Hwangae-Puk, Hwanghaue-Nam, Kaesong, Pyongan-Nam
NE: remainder

Madagascar:
not really content with this...
NE (Antanarivo, Toamasira, Antsinarana)
SW & Indian Ocean

Morocco:
Fès - Tanger (Oriental, Fès-Boulanare, Taza-Al Hoceima-Taouane, Tanger-Tétouan, Gharb-Charda-Beni Hassan, Meknes-Tahiya)
Rabat - Casablanca (Rabat-Sale-Zammam-Zaer, Casablanca, Chaoua-Ouardigha, Doukhela-Abda, Tadla-Azilal)
Marrakech - Mauretania (Marrakech-Tengift-Al Haauz, Sousse-Massa-Drau, Guelmin; Sahara; Mauretania).
And if I'd written this down legitly, I wouldnÄt have so many spelling errors now.

DR Congo
Kivu (Kivu North, Kivu South)
Central African Republic - Kisangani (incl. Haut-Congo)
Kinshasa
Congo South East (Katanga, Maniema, Kesai Oriental)
Congo South West (Bas_Congo, Bandundu)
Congo North West (Kasai Occidental, Equator)

Ethiopia:
Tigray - Afar - Eritrea
Amhara - two districts
Somali, Deredewa, Harar, and part of Oromia
Addis Abeba and part of Oromia
Gambella, Benishengui, and part of Oromia
Southern

Iraq:
North (Irbil, Sulaymaniyah, Dahuk, Tamim, Nineveh, Salah-ed-Din, Diyala)
Baghdad-Kerbela (Baghdad, Al-Anber, Kerbela)
South (remainder)

Cote d'Ivoire
South East (Comoe Sud, Moyen Comoe, N'zi-Comoe, Agnéby, Lagunes, Lacs, Sud-Bandama)
North West (remainder)

Algeria
Algier (Algier, Burmardas, Blidah, Bouira, Midyah, Tin Ouazou, Burj Bu Amridj, Bejaiaj, Satif, Tebesse)
Ouran & Algeria South (anything west, plus those wilayats south of the mountains as far as Ouagla and Djelfa)
Constantine (anything east of Algier constituency)

Afghanistan:
North East (Badakhshan, Tahar, Qunduz, Baglan, Parwan, Nuristan, Kunar, Nangarhar, Lagman, Kanisa, Kabul)
South West (remainder)
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« Reply #32 on: August 09, 2004, 12:39:57 pm »
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Once I'm done with this source, I'll still have problems in China, Vietnam, Ethiopia, Brazil, Argentina, Indonesia and Pakistan. The Pakistani government doesn't publish anything more detailed than those monster provinces on the net, and the population of Pakistani Kashmir is actually classified information! But this page has some data on the area, wherever from...

Anyways, Nigeria:
Lagos
Ogun - Oyo
Ilopi - Akura (Osun, Ondo, Ekiti, Kwana)
Port Harcourt (Akwa Ibom, Rivers, Bayelsa)
Delta - Edo - Anambra
Nigeria South East (Imo, Abia, Cross River, Ebonyi)
Enugu - Benwe - Koyi
Nigeria North East (Borno, Yobe, Gombe, Adamawa)
Abuja (Taraba, Plateau, Nassarawa, NCT, Niger)
Nigeria North West (Kebbi, Sokolo, Zamfara, Katsina)
Kano - Jigawa
Kaduna - Bauchi

Saudi Arabia
Jordan - Medinah (Al-Medinah, Tabuk, Al Hudud-Ash-Shamaliyah, Janaf, Ha'il, Qasim; Jordan)
Mekkah (Mekkah, Asir, Jizan, Al-Barhah)
Riyad (Riyad, Sharkiyah, Najran)

Philippines
North Luzon (Cagayan, Cordillera, Ilocos)
Central Luzon
Manila (National Capital Region)
South Tagalog
Bicol - East Visayas
West Visayas (West Visayas, Central Visayas)
West Mindanao (West Mindanao, Central Mindanao, Autonomous Region Muslim Mindanao)
East Mindanao (South Mindanao, North Mindanao, Caraga)

Still to do, some other day:
Sudan, Syria, Tanzania, Uganda, Uzbekistan, Yemen, and Thailand for which this has more detailed info than I used previously.
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« Reply #33 on: August 09, 2004, 03:20:28 pm »
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Lewis, this is awesome!

Some years ago I did something similar (although with a different political division).. had a national congress with 3,500 districts! - I remember that Germany had 180 and I drew most of them. I couldn't do it on the computer back then, but used this paper that architects use, and copied maps from an Atlas and started drawing districts. Was really fun.. I simulated elections and all.

About Mexico: I find the division you made of the states pretty logical. I think that using the name of NW Mexico for the first district is ok; I cannot think of another name right now. Would be fun to see who wins on each. As you divided them, you basically guaranteed that the PRI will have 2-3 districts, the PAN 1 and the PRD 1. The other 5-6 could be more competitive, especially #1.



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Once I'm done with this source, I'll still have problems in China, Vietnam, Ethiopia, Brazil, Argentina, Indonesia and Pakistan.

My proposal for Argentina:
- City of Buenos Aires and 16 suburban districts (Vicente Lopez, San Isidro, Moron, La Matanza, Quilmes, Lomas de Zamora, San Martin, Tres de Febrero, Avellaneda, San Miguel, Hurlingham, Ituzaingo, Lanus, Malvinas Argentinas, San Miguel, Tigre). Total population: 8.9 million.
- Remaining State of Buenos Aires (8.5 million).
- Entre Rios, Santa Fe, Santiago del Estero, Corrientes, Misiones, Formosa, Chaco, Jujuy (9 million)
- Remaining provinces (10 million). This last district looks awful geographically, but it´s the only possibility with only 4 districts.

Hope this was helpful. If you can read spanish in www.indec.gov.ar they have almost every population statistics available.
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« Reply #35 on: August 10, 2004, 01:30:49 am »
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This site is also good: http://www.statoids.com/statoids.html
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Once I'm done with this source, I'll still have problems in China, Vietnam, Ethiopia, Brazil, Argentina, Indonesia and Pakistan.

My proposal for Argentina:
- City of Buenos Aires and 16 suburban districts (Vicente Lopez, San Isidro, Moron, La Matanza, Quilmes, Lomas de Zamora, San Martin, Tres de Febrero, Avellaneda, San Miguel, Hurlingham, Ituzaingo, Lanus, Malvinas Argentinas, San Miguel, Tigre). Total population: 8.9 million.
- Remaining State of Buenos Aires (8.5 million).
- Entre Rios, Santa Fe, Santiago del Estero, Corrientes, Misiones, Formosa, Chaco, Jujuy (9 million)
- Remaining provinces (10 million). This last district looks awful geographically, but it´s the only possibility with only 4 districts.

Hope this was helpful. If you can read spanish in www.indec.gov.ar they have almost every population statistics available.
I'll take your word on Buenos Aires state.
Why'd you exchange Salta and Santiago del Estero? (I'll have to take a look at the map for that.)
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« Reply #37 on: August 10, 2004, 07:28:55 am »
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That makes the Southern & Western district not contiguous! I'll go with mine even though populations are slightly less even.

Sudan
Khartoum (Al Bahr al Ahmar, Nahr an Nil, Kessala, Khartoum, Al Qadarif, Al Jazirah)
Sudan Central (Sinnar, An Nil al Azraq, An Nil al Abyad, Ash Shamaliya, Shamal Kurdufan, Gharb Kurdufan, Janub Kurdufan, A'Ali an Nil, Junqali)
Sudan South West (Shamal Darfur, Gharb Darfur, Janub Darfur, Shamal Bahr Al Gazal, Gharb Fahr al Gazal, Warab, Al Wahdah, Al Buhayrat, Gharb Al Istima'iyah, Bahr al Jabal, Sharkh al Istiwa'iyah)

And a little dossier of Arabic expresiions:
Bahr - Water (River or Sea)
Al Bahr al Ahmar - The Red Sea
Bahr Al Gazal - Gazelle River
Nil - what you think it means
An Nil al Azraq - Blue Nile
An Nil al Abyad - White Nile
Shamal - North
Gharb - West (as in Maghreb)
Janub - South
Sharkh - East

Syria
Libanon - Damascus (Libanon; Tartus, Al-Ladiqiyah, Damascus, Damascus City, Dar'a, As Suwayda, Al Qumaytirah)
Aleppo (Halab, Idlib, Hamah, Khims, Ar Raqqah. Bayr az Zaur, Al Khasakah)

Tanzania
Tanzania Coastal (or Daressalaam) (Zanzibar, Pemba, Daressalaam, Pwani, Lindi. Mtwara, Tanga, Kilimandjaro, Runuma, Morogoro)
Tanzania Central (Iringa, Mbeya, Dodoma, Singida, Arusha, Rukwa, Tabora)
Mwenza (or Tanzania NW, or Lake Victoria South) (Kagera, Mwenza, Shinyanga, Mara, Kigoma)

Uganda
Southwest - Central and Western divisions
Northeast - Northern and Eastern divisions

Uzbekistan
Turkmenia - Khorazm (Turkmenia; Karakalpakistan, Khorazm, Navoi)
Bukhara - Samarkand (Bukhara, Kaskadarya, Surhonda, Samarkand, Djisak, Sirdare)
Tashkent - Fergana (Tashkent, Fergana, Namangan, Andijon)

Yemen
North (Hajjah, Al Mahwid, San'a, San'a City, Al Khuddaydah, Djamar, Sa'dah, Al Jawf, Ma'rib)
South (the former South Yemen, ie Al Mahrah, Hadramaut, Shabwah, Abyan. Aden, Lahij; Al Bayda, where I'm not sure if it's the former South or not; and Ibb and Ta'izz, definitely from the old North Yemen)

Thailand
Chiang Mai (Mae Hong Son, Chiang Mai, Lamphun, Chiang Rai, Lampang, Phayao, Phrae, Nan, Uttaradit, Sukhothai, Phitsanulok, Kamphaeng Phet, Tak, Phichit)
I had this one as Thailand North before
Thailand East (Ubon Ritchathani, Ambat Charoen, Si Sa Ket, Yasothon, Surin, Roi Et, Mukdahan, Kalasin, Nakhon Phanom, Sukon Nakhon)
Udon Thani - Nakhon Rekhasina (Nong Khai, Udon Thani, Nong Bualan Phu, Loei, Khon Kuen, Maha Sarakham, Chaiyaphuri, Phetchuburi, Buri Ram, Nakhon Rekhasina)
These are in the North East region, although some districts from it may have gone to other seats now.
Bangkok (Krung Thep, Samat Prakhun, Samat Sakhon, Nakhon Pathom, Nonthaburi, Pathum Thani, Pra Nakhon Si Ayutthaya)
Thailand Central (Trat, Chanthaburi, Sa Kaeo, Rayong, Chon Buri, Chachoenggao, Prachin Buri, Nakhon Nayok, Saraburi, Lop Buri, Nakhon Sawan, Sing Buri, Ang THong, Uthai Thani, Suphan Buri, Kanchanaburi, Retchaburi)
Bends around the Bangkok constituency. Parts of the old NE added, parts of the old Central now in South
Thailand South (Narathiwat, Yala, Pattani, Song Khla, Satun, Phatthalung, Trang, Nakhon Si Thammarat, Krabi, Phang Nga, Phuket, Surat Thani, Ranong, Chumphon, Prachuap Kiri Khan, Phetchaburi)
Apologies to Opebo for all and any spelling errors.
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« Reply #38 on: August 10, 2004, 01:36:44 pm »
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"Germany:  8 seats
 France:  6 seats"

somehow I'm convinced you have not consulted with the french about this  Wink

I have to go with FreedomBurns, and suggest a map.  You know how we Yanks are.  No words please, just visuals.  Ah, short attention span theater rules!

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I guess its supposed to be 1 seat per 10 million people. France-60 million, Germany-82 million, so it makes sense.

Russia should have 15 seats, not 13.
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You are currently working on a map for us aren't you Lewis.  *Looks up hopefully*

I love maps.
I hereby appoint you my mapmaker. Smiley

Arrrgh!  As though I have time!  I only wish.  After I finish law school I will devote myself to changing the world and solving it's problems, starting with making a working map for the Global UN Federation based on the provinces you suggested.  10 million per vote sounds workable.  For convenience's sake 7-13 million for regional boundaries.

hoo boy...first I have to learn some HTML or something.  This is going to be a labor of love, but still a totally labor-intensive trudge through the atlases.  Geography Nut Man to the rescue!

I might have time when I retire.  When I finish law school they are really going to put me to work.  Can this wait thirty years?
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hoo boy...first I have to learn some HTML or something.  This is going to be a labor of love, but still a totally labor-intensive trudge through the atlases.  Geography Nut Man to the rescue!
That's exactly why I didn't do it.

Oh, and: the French won't object to getting fewer parliament seats as the Germans - they'll just want as many cabinet members. Smiley
But the Belgians would really be up in revolt for having fewer seats than the Dutch!
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That's exactly why I didn't do it.

Oh, and: the French won't object to getting fewer parliament seats as the Germans - they'll just want as many cabinet members. Smiley
But the Belgians would really be up in revolt for having fewer seats than the Dutch!

This is great!  I'll give maps a try, but may take a bit.
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Once I'm done with this source, I'll still have problems in China, Vietnam, Ethiopia, Brazil, Argentina, Indonesia and Pakistan.

My proposal for Argentina:
- City of Buenos Aires and 16 suburban districts (Vicente Lopez, San Isidro, Moron, La Matanza, Quilmes, Lomas de Zamora, San Martin, Tres de Febrero, Avellaneda, San Miguel, Hurlingham, Ituzaingo, Lanus, Malvinas Argentinas, San Miguel, Tigre). Total population: 8.9 million.
- Remaining State of Buenos Aires (8.5 million).
- Entre Rios, Santa Fe, Santiago del Estero, Corrientes, Misiones, Formosa, Chaco, Jujuy (9 million)
- Remaining provinces (10 million). This last district looks awful geographically, but it´s the only possibility with only 4 districts.

Hope this was helpful. If you can read spanish in www.indec.gov.ar they have almost every population statistics available.
I'll take your word on Buenos Aires state.
Why'd you exchange Salta and Santiago del Estero? (I'll have to take a look at the map for that.)

No, you´re right, I didn´t mean to do that. I typed it too quickly. Now I see I also forgot San Fernando in district 1. You can check with a map in http://josecpazdigital.com.ar/ubicacion/mapagranbsas.jpg .
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« Reply #47 on: August 11, 2004, 09:59:26 pm »
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These would be the districts of Mexico.
Verin, I wanted to do it in the same style as you but couldn't.. if you want I can send you the file and you can do it just as the others.

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« Reply #48 on: August 12, 2004, 05:28:47 am »
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Where is Canada?
Due north from you. Can't miss it really.
Oh, you mean his maps? No, not showing for me either.
The others are, though. Smiley
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« Reply #49 on: August 24, 2004, 07:58:27 pm »
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There are lots of international political organizations. Elections would work like Euro elections. Parties with the same ideology (Canada NDP, British Labour, Australian Labour, etc; US Republican, Canada+British Tory, Aust Liberal) would run under one banner.
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