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« on: December 29, 2007, 04:55:25 PM »

See who best fits your beliefs. ( This came from a link at Dennis Kucinich's website)

http://www.dehp.net/candidate/

For me the answer was Ron Paul, so at least its not slanted to yield Kucinich for everyone.
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« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2007, 06:41:34 PM »

The answer for me was also Ron Paul.  Clinton, McCain, Romney and Giuliani were all below zero; -4, -8, -40 and -45 respecively.  Mike Gravel was at 31 and Paul was at 74.
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« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2007, 06:49:19 PM »

Is it just me or in the United States are political positions entirely tailored for this sort of test - there is no ambuiguity, no sense of coherent vision beyond "Is abortion good for women\wimmin"? OR "Puppies: A reason to increase National security?" In other words politicians - even Progressive Kucinich - pander to this sh**t of "I like Abortions, I like Puppies and I don't hate Brown People OMG I SUCH I LIKE KUCINICH!!1111".

Not to mention the obiligatory dumb question like "Is the Death Penalty a states' rights issue?" is to give my position, I would support States Rights if they abolished it, and I wouldn't if they didn't.

And btw, with me not filling in half the answers I still got I guessed: Gravel and Kucinich equal in first. All Republicans except Paul in Minus figures. Its still accurate I suppose.
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« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2007, 06:53:28 PM »

Score  Candidate  Disagreements, Unknowns, Other (brown)  
25 Clinton  Disagreements: (8 ) Abortion Rights, Assault Weapons Ban, Citizenship Path for Illegals, Iran Sanctions, Iran - Military Action, Iraq War, Iraq Withdrawal, Same-Sex Marriage
Unknowns/Other: (0)  
23 Kucinich  Disagreements: (8 ) Abortion Rights, Death Penalty, Assault Weapons Ban, Patriot Act, Citizenship Path for Illegals, Border Fence, Iraq War, Iraq Withdrawal
Unknowns/Other: (0)
 
21 Dodd  Disagreements: (7) Abortion Rights, Assault Weapons Ban, Citizenship Path for Illegals, Iran Sanctions, Iran - Military Action, Iraq War, Iraq Withdrawal
Unknowns/Other: (3) Same-Sex Marriage, Same-Sex Civil Union, Universal Healthcare
 
21 Edwards  Disagreements: (8 ) Abortion Rights, Assault Weapons Ban, Citizenship Path for Illegals, Iran Sanctions, Iran - Military Action, Iraq War, Iraq Withdrawal, Same-Sex Marriage
Unknowns/Other: (2) Kyoto, Border Fence
20 Richardson  Disagreements: (7) Abortion Rights, Citizenship Path for Illegals, Border Fence, Iran Sanctions, Iran - Military Action, Iraq Withdrawal, Same-Sex Marriage
Unknowns/Other: (3) No Child Left Behind, ANWR Drilling, Iraq War
18 Obama  Disagreements: (8 ) Abortion Rights, Death Penalty, Assault Weapons Ban, Citizenship Path for Illegals, Iran Sanctions, Iraq War, Iraq Withdrawal, Same-Sex Marriage
Unknowns/Other: (4) No Child Left Behind, Kyoto, Torture, Iran - Military Action
18 Biden  Disagreements: (7) Abortion Rights, Assault Weapons Ban, Citizenship Path for Illegals, Iran Sanctions, Iraq War, Iraq Withdrawal, Same-Sex Marriage
Unknowns/Other: (4) Kyoto, Iran - Military Action, Same-Sex Civil Union, Universal Healthcare
8 McCain  Disagreements: (9) Kyoto, Citizenship Path for Illegals, Net Neutrality, Iran Sanctions, Iran - Military Action, Iraq Troop Surge, Minimum Wage Increase, Same-Sex Marriage, Universal Healthcare
Unknowns/Other: (1) Same-Sex Civil Union
8 Gravel  Disagreements: (8 ) Abortion Rights, Death Penalty, No Child Left Behind, Patriot Act, Citizenship Path for Illegals, Border Fence, Iraq War, Iraq Withdrawal
Unknowns/Other: (6) ANWR Drilling, Assault Weapons Ban, Guns - Background Checks, Wiretapping, Net Neutrality, Minimum Wage Increase
-1 T. Thompson  6/14
-2 Paul  13/1
-5 Giuliani  13/3
-12 Huckabee  10/5
-17 Romney  14/3
-20 Tancredo  15/2
-20 Hunter  14/3
-21 Cox  11/9
-26 Brownback  14/3
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« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2007, 06:55:17 PM »

In the following order:
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37     McCain     Disagreements: (6) Abortion Rights, Kyoto, Guantanamo, Net Neutrality, Iran - Military Action, Minimum Wage Increase

30    Huckabee      Disagreements: (6) Abortion Rights, Embryonic Stem Cells, ANWR Drilling, Guns - Background Checks, Same-Sex Civil Union, Same-Sex Constitutional Ban

24    Giuliani      Disagreements: (6) Assault Weapons Ban, Torture, Wiretapping, Net Neutrality, Iran - Military Action, Minimum Wage Increase

15    Richardson    Disagreements: (6) Guantanamo, Border Fence, Iran - Military Action, Iraq Troop Surge, Iraq Withdrawal, Universal Healthcare

13    Biden             Disagreements: (5) Assault Weapons Ban, Guantanamo, Iraq War, Iraq Troop Surge, Iraq Withdrawal

12    Clinton     Disagreements: (7) Assault Weapons Ban, Guantanamo, Iran - Military Action, Iraq War, Iraq Troop Surge, Iraq Withdrawal, Universal Healthcare

12    Hunter             Disagreements: (10) Abortion Rights, Embryonic Stem Cells, ANWR Drilling, Kyoto, Guns - Background Checks, Torture, Wiretapping, Iran - Military Action, Minimum Wage Increase, Same-Sex Constitutional Ban

12    Dodd             Disagreements: (6) Assault Weapons Ban, Guantanamo, Iran - Military Action, Iraq War, Iraq Troop Surge, Iraq Withdrawal

9    Edwards    Disagreements: (7) Assault Weapons Ban, Guantanamo, Iran - Military Action, Iraq War, Iraq Troop Surge, Iraq Withdrawal, Universal Healthcare

9    Romney            Disagreements: (11) Abortion Rights, Embryonic Stem Cells, ANWR Drilling, Kyoto, Assault Weapons Ban, Torture, Wiretapping, Citizenship Path for Illegals, Iran - Military Action, Same-Sex Civil Union, Same-Sex Constitutional Ban
 
8    T. Thompson    Disagreements: (5) Abortion Rights, Kyoto, Citizenship Path for Illegals, Net Neutrality, Minimum Wage Increase
 
5    Brownback    Disagreements: (12) Abortion Rights, Death Penalty, Embryonic Stem Cells, ANWR Drilling, Kyoto, Guns - Background Checks, Net Neutrality, Iraq Troop Surge, Iraq Withdrawal, Minimum Wage Increase, Same-Sex Civil Union, Same-Sex Constitutional Ban

3    Obama    Disagreements: (7) Death Penalty, Assault Weapons Ban, Guantanamo, Iraq War, Iraq Troop Surge, Iraq Withdrawal, Universal Healthcare

-3    Cox
   
-4    Kucinich    

-6    Tancredo    

-18    Gravel    

-25    Paul
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« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2007, 07:06:55 PM »
« Edited: December 29, 2007, 07:10:55 PM by Like A Nano-Augmented Romance Novel »

Not to mention the obiligatory dumb question like "Is the Death Penalty a states' rights issue?"

It doesn't say that. And it's pretty obvious what it means.

I got:

56     Gravel     Disagreements: (1) Iran Sanctions
Unknowns/Other: (6) ANWR Drilling, Assault Weapons Ban, Guns - Background Checks, Wiretapping, Net Neutrality, Minimum Wage Increase

56    Kucinich    Disagreements: (4) No Child Left Behind, Assault Weapons Ban, Guns - Background Checks, Iran Sanctions
Unknowns/Other: (0)

33    Obama    Disagreements: (5) Assault Weapons Ban, Guns - Background Checks, Patriot Act, Border Fence, Same-Sex Marriage
Unknowns/Other: (4) No Child Left Behind, Kyoto, Torture, Iran - Military Action

28    Edwards    Disagreements: (7) Death Penalty, No Child Left Behind, Assault Weapons Ban, Guns - Background Checks, Patriot Act, Iran - Military Action, Same-Sex Marriage
Unknowns/Other: (2) Kyoto, Border Fence

28    Richardson    Disagreements: (5) Death Penalty, Guns - Background Checks, Patriot Act, Iran - Military Action, Same-Sex Marriage
Unknowns/Other: (3) No Child Left Behind, ANWR Drilling, Iraq War

28    Clinton    Disagreements: (Cool Death Penalty, No Child Left Behind, Assault Weapons Ban, Guns - Background Checks, Patriot Act, Border Fence, Iran - Military Action, Same-Sex Marriage
Unknowns/Other: (0)

26    Paul    Disagreements: (11) Abortion Rights, Embryonic Stem Cells, ANWR Drilling, Kyoto, Citizenship Path for Illegals, Border Fence, Net Neutrality, Iran Sanctions, Minimum Wage Increase, Same-Sex Marriage, Universal Healthcare
Unknowns/Other: (1) Same-Sex Civil Union

25    Biden    Disagreements: (7) Death Penalty, No Child Left Behind, Assault Weapons Ban, Guns - Background Checks, Patriot Act, Border Fence, Same-Sex Marriage
Unknowns/Other: (4) Kyoto, Iran - Military Action, Same-Sex Civil Union, Universal Healthcare

23    Dodd    Disagreements: (7) Death Penalty, No Child Left Behind, Assault Weapons Ban, Guns - Background Checks, Patriot Act, Border Fence, Iran - Military Action
Unknowns/Other: (3) Same-Sex Marriage, Same-Sex Civil Union, Universal Healthcare

-19    Brownback    15/3
-20    T. Thompson    10/14
-22    McCain    15/1
-30    Cox    14/9
-36    Giuliani    16/3
-38    Huckabee    15/5
-42    Tancredo    18/2
-54    Hunter    19/3
-60    Romney    21/3
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« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2007, 07:32:54 PM »

Is it just me or in the United States are political positions entirely tailored for this sort of test - there is no ambuiguity, no sense of coherent vision beyond "Is abortion good for women\wimmin"? OR "Puppies: A reason to increase National security?" In other words politicians - even Progressive Kucinich - pander to this sh**t of "I like Abortions, I like Puppies and I don't hate Brown People OMG I SUCH I LIKE KUCINICH!!1111".

It's a direct consequence of a relatively non-ideological form of politics.
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« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2007, 10:07:49 PM »

24 Paul  Disagreements: (7) Abortion Rights, Death Penalty, Guantanamo, Wiretapping, Net Neutrality, Iran Sanctions, Iran - Military Action
Unknowns/Other: (1) Same-Sex Civil Union
18 Hunter  Disagreements: (6) Abortion Rights, Patriot Act, Iraq War, Iraq Troop Surge, Iraq Withdrawal, Same-Sex Constitutional Ban
Unknowns/Other: (3) Citizenship Path for Illegals, Net Neutrality, Same-Sex Civil Union
10 Biden  (7) (4) 
8 McCain  (10) (1) 
8 Huckabee   (9)  (4) 
7 Dodd  8 (2) 
6 Romney   8 (2) 
3 Richardson   8(2) 
3 Edwards  8  (2) 
3 Clinton   (9) (0) 
2 Obama   (9)  (2) 
2 Giuliani   (7)  (2) 
-3 Cox  7/8
-8 Gravel  8/5
-13 Kucinich  12/0


At least this one comes up with results that make sense.  I find it funny that Clinton and Edwards and me agree more often than Rudy does....barely.
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« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2007, 10:15:20 PM »

Not all that far off, although of course the test uses selectively biased questions that are supposed to make Democrats like Kucinich (and are therefore a poor measure for candidates generally).

1. Gravel
2. Obama
3. Kucinich
=. Paul
5. Richardson
=. Edwards
=. Clinton
8. Biden
9. Dodd

--switch from positive to negative--

10. McCain
11. Cox
12. T. Thompson (wow, this is old)
13. Giuliani
14. Brownback
15. Tancredo
16. Huckabee
17. Hunter
18. Romney
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« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2007, 10:32:41 PM »

75   Kucinich
64   Gravel
46   Obama
37   Clinton
36   Edwards
32   Dodd
30   Biden
29   Richardson
20   Paul
-24   T. Thompson    10/14
-26   McCain    15/1
-27   Brownback    17/3
-31   Cox                12/9
-36   Giuliani    14/3
-54   Huckabee    17/5
-58   Tancredo    20/2
-69   Hunter                21/3
-69   Romney    20/3
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« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2007, 10:41:20 PM »

77     Kucinich     
64    Gravel    
51    Obama    
44    Edwards    
41    Clinton    
40      Biden
36    Dodd    
36    Richardson    
17    Paul    
Unknowns/Other: (1) Same-Sex Civil Union
-21    McCain    15/1
-26    T. Thompson    9/14
-28    Cox    11/9
-42    Giuliani    15/3
-45    Brownback    16/3
-49    Huckabee    17/5
-60    Tancredo    20/2
-72    Romney    20/3
-79    Hunter    21/3
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« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2007, 04:59:36 AM »

50 Kucinich  Disagreements: (4)

38 Clinton  Disagreements: (6) 

38 Edwards  Disagreements: (5)
 
37 Gravel  Disagreements: (3)
 
33 Dodd  Disagreements: (5)
 
31 Richardson  Disagreements: (5)

31 Obama  Disagreements: (5)

28 Biden  Disagreements: (5)
 
-3 McCain  14/1
-9 Paul  15/1
-10 Giuliani  11/3
-11 T. Thompson  7/14
-31 Huckabee  14/5
-34 Cox  13/8
-35 Brownback  17/3
-45 Romney  17/3
-45 Hunter  18/3
-50 Tancredo  19/2


And yet somehow I support Obama Roll Eyes 

I'm closer to McCain than Paul, interesting.....

I must be tired right now because I can't even remember who Cox is.
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« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2007, 06:19:45 AM »

Is it just me or in the United States are political positions entirely tailored for this sort of test - there is no ambuiguity, no sense of coherent vision beyond "Is abortion good for women\wimmin"? OR "Puppies: A reason to increase National security?" In other words politicians - even Progressive Kucinich - pander to this sh**t of "I like Abortions, I like Puppies and I don't hate Brown People OMG I SUCH I LIKE KUCINICH!!1111".

No, it isn't just you.
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« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2007, 06:25:35 AM »

93    Kucinich
73    Gravel
52    Obama
45    Clinton
42    Edwards
40    Dodd
35    Biden
31    Richardson
10    Paul
-24    McCain
-29    Thompson
-30    Cox
-35    Giuliani
-47    Brownback
-63    Huckabee
-78    Romney
-82    Tancredo
-88    Hunter
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« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2007, 06:51:44 AM »

I hate the questions.

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I support federal legislation upholding the right to an abortion.  Suck on that, mainstream political convention...

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No, just as state governments are not allowed to torture prisoners and must conform to other basic standards of human rights.

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Presumably both Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul oppose the No Child Left Behind Act, but for entirely different reasons, which leads one to question how this test is supposed to measure your results (and, so far, the questions have an obvious libertarian bias...).

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I oppose this, but only because I support a full amnesty for "illegal" immigrants, rather than some sort of half-baked 'citizenship path.'

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It's always a good sign when people still think that the Iraq war had anything to do with terrorism.

My top candidate was Dennis Kucinich, score of 67.
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« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2007, 07:30:02 AM »

49 Kucinich  Disagreements: (1) No Child Left Behind

39 Gravel  Disagreements: (0)
Unknowns/Other: (6) ANWR Drilling, Assault Weapons Ban, Guns - Background Checks, Wiretapping, Net Neutrality, Minimum Wage Increase
 
27 Obama  Disagreements: (4) Patriot Act, Border Fence, Iran Sanctions, Same-Sex Marriage
Unknowns/Other: (4) No Child Left Behind, Kyoto, Torture, Iran - Military Action
 
23 Edwards  Disagreements: (6) Death Penalty, No Child Left Behind, Patriot Act, Iran Sanctions, Iran - Military Action, Same-Sex Marriage
Unknowns/Other: (2) Kyoto, Border Fence
 
23 Clinton  Disagreements: (7) Death Penalty, No Child Left Behind, Patriot Act, Border Fence, Iran Sanctions, Iran - Military Action, Same-Sex Marriage
Unknowns/Other: (0)
 
22 Dodd  Disagreements: (6) Death Penalty, No Child Left Behind, Patriot Act, Border Fence, Iran Sanctions, Iran - Military Action
Unknowns/Other: (3) Same-Sex Marriage, Same-Sex Civil Union, Universal Healthcare
 
21 Richardson  Disagreements: (6) Death Penalty, Assault Weapons Ban, Patriot Act, Iran Sanctions, Iran - Military Action, Same-Sex Marriage
Unknowns/Other: (3) No Child Left Behind, ANWR Drilling, Iraq War
 
18 Biden  Disagreements: (6) Death Penalty, No Child Left Behind, Patriot Act, Border Fence, Iran Sanctions, Same-Sex Marriage
Unknowns/Other: (4) Kyoto, Iran - Military Action, Same-Sex Civil Union, Universal Healthcare
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« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2007, 11:45:30 AM »

I came out Kucinich, as I do on almost all of these.  But so what?  I don't believe in little green men.  Love the guy's principles but something about him worries me.

That said, a few of the positions were badly misconstrued.  Chris Dodd does not support military action against Iran, but the test said he did.  That's the problem with these tests.  What does Dodd say?  He wouldn't take military action against Iran off the table if the US or an ally were attacked?

This is one of the reasons I dislike Kucinich.  He, like our current President, sees everything in black and white without the statesmanlike ability to do nuance.
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« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2007, 12:01:24 PM »

53 Kucinich
48 Gravel 
24 Obama
20 Paul 
17 Clinton 
15 Richardson
12 Edwards 
11 Dodd  10 Biden
-22 McCain  13/1
-23 T. Thompson  8/12
-23 Brownback  12/3
-23 Cox  11/6
-24 Huckabee  12/5
-26 Giuliani  13/3
-48 Tancredo  17/1
-50 Hunter  17/2
-52 Romney  18/1
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« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2007, 01:23:15 PM »

Gravel, then Kucinich, then Richardson.  Weird.
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« Reply #19 on: December 30, 2007, 01:32:17 PM »

36 Kucinich 
27 Edwards 
26 Clinton 
25 Gravel 
25 Richardson 
23 Obama 
20 Dodd 
17 Biden
 
0   McCain   
-10 Giuliani   
-10 Paul   
-12 Cox 
-15 T. Thompson   
-18 Huckabee 
-21 Brownback
-26 Romney 
-30 Hunter
-32 Tancredo 
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« Reply #20 on: December 30, 2007, 06:58:43 PM »

66     Hunter
62    Romney
60    Tancredo
56    Huckabee
37    Cox
26    T. Thompson
24    Brownback
19     Giuliani
18    McCain
-2    Paul

Gee, I guess I should switch from Giuliani and McCain to Hunter and Romney!  When pigs fly.
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« Reply #21 on: December 30, 2007, 07:59:42 PM »

11. Giuliani
11. McCain
6.  Edwards
6.  Richardson
5.  Clinton
3.  Kucinich
3.  Biden
3.  Huckabee
3.  Dodd
2.  T. Thompson
2.  Romney
2.  Obama
2.  Hunter
0  Cox
0  Brownback
-1 Gravel
-5 Paul
-6 Tancredo
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« Reply #22 on: December 31, 2007, 01:26:45 AM »

Not all that far off, although of course the test uses selectively biased questions that are supposed to make Democrats like Kucinich (and are therefore a poor measure for candidates generally).

...or maybe kucinich is actually representative of mainstream American beliefs?
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« Reply #23 on: December 31, 2007, 01:55:55 AM »

Kucinich then Gravel then Edwards


Anyone want to guess which one of the three I would ever actually vote for?

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