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« on: January 04, 2008, 02:28:04 AM »

1. US government has power to kidnap citizens of foreign countries for violating US law
2. Entrapment techniques to catch people who are possibly perverted
3. Conviction of people possessing prescribed painkillers even if they have a legitimate prescription
4. Encouraging public school students to turn in their parents for minor city law infractions
5. Two-year prison terms for people who play online poker
6. Stronger anti-gambling enforcement such as breaking up charity poker games
7. Arresting civilians for standing still on busy sidewalks
8. Seizing the cars of people who play their stereos too loud
9. Installing talking urinal cakes in men's toilets at bars discouraging drunk driving
10. Requiring that baking soda be sold only behind the counter

2- see recent article on the man who was arrested for talking to an undercover cop who was sunbathing topless in a park
7- he was arrested in Times Square for disorderly conduct for standing still
10- the rationale is that baking soda can be used to make crack cocaine

http://www.reason.com/news/show/124055.html
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« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2008, 03:09:28 AM »

1. US government has power to kidnap citizens of foreign countries for violating US law-not on foreign soil (unless they get the home country's permisssion)
2. Entrapment techniques to catch people who are possibly perverted-depends on how we define "entrapment techniques"
3. Conviction of people possessing prescribed painkillers even if they have a legitimate prescription-why would we convict somebody doing something legal?
4. Encouraging public school students to turn in their parents for minor city law infractions-no
5. Two-year prison terms for people who play online poker-of course not
6. Stronger anti-gambling enforcement such as breaking up charity poker games-no
7. Arresting civilians for standing still on busy sidewalks-depends on the sidewalk
8. Seizing the cars of people who play their stereos too loud-no
9. Installing talking urinal cakes in men's toilets at bars discouraging drunk driving-no
10. Requiring that baking soda be sold only behind the counter-no
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« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2008, 05:04:59 AM »


1. US government has power to kidnap citizens of foreign countries for violating US law- no
2. Entrapment techniques to catch people who are possibly perverted- no
3. Conviction of people possessing prescribed painkillers even if they have a legitimate prescription - no
4. Encouraging public school students to turn in their parents for minor city law infractions-no
5. Two-year prison terms for people who play online poker - no
6. Stronger anti-gambling enforcement such as breaking up charity poker games - no
7. Arresting civilians for standing still on busy sidewalks - no
8. Seizing the cars of people who play their stereos too loud - no
9. Installing talking urinal cakes in men's toilets at bars discouraging drunk driving - no
10. Requiring that baking soda be sold only behind the counter - no
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« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2008, 03:33:43 PM »

I would ordinarily object to 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 and 10.
I think 9 is likely to be silly and ineffective, but I have no objection to it.
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« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2008, 03:50:52 PM »

This is the only one I don't wholeheartedly disapprove of, as it's so funnysounding:
9. Installing talking urinal cakes in men's toilets at bars discouraging drunk driving

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« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2008, 04:03:44 PM »

1. US government has power to kidnap citizens of foreign countries for violating US law - No

2. Entrapment techniques to catch people who are possibly perverted - No

3. Conviction of people possessing prescribed painkillers even if they have a legitimate prescription - No

4. Encouraging public school students to turn in their parents for minor city law infractions - No

5. Two-year prison terms for people who play online poker - No

6. Stronger anti-gambling enforcement such as breaking up charity poker games - No

7. Arresting civilians for standing still on busy sidewalks - Depends on the circumstance. Someone intentionally blocking a busy sidewalk is creating a public disturbance.

8. Seizing the cars of people who play their stereos too loud - Again, depends on the circumstance. If the stereo is in the car and the town has anti-noise measures in force, and there have been multiple complaints (from different sources), it is reasonable.

9. Installing talking urinal cakes in men's toilets at bars discouraging drunk driving - Certainly if they are not government-funded. Government-funded seems like a waste of money to me.

10. Requiring that baking soda be sold only behind the counter - No
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« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2008, 04:48:12 PM »

1. US government has power to kidnap citizens of foreign countries for violating US law-No
2. Entrapment techniques to catch people who are possibly perverted-NO
3. Conviction of people possessing prescribed painkillers even if they have a legitimate prescription-No
4. Encouraging public school students to turn in their parents for minor city law infractions-No
5. Two-year prison terms for people who play online poker-No
6. Stronger anti-gambling enforcement such as breaking up charity poker games-No
7. Arresting civilians for standing still on busy sidewalks-No
8. Seizing the cars of people who play their stereos too loud-No
9. Installing talking urinal cakes in men's toilets at bars discouraging drunk driving-Yes
10. Requiring that baking soda be sold only behind the counter-No
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« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2008, 05:46:29 PM »

#9 is silly, but I fail to see how that pertains to civil liberties.  #7 and #8, it depends on the circumstances.
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« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2008, 06:07:58 PM »

1. US government has power to kidnap citizens of foreign countries for violating US law-No
2. Entrapment techniques to catch people who are possibly perverted-Yes
3. Conviction of people possessing prescribed painkillers even if they have a legitimate prescription-No
4. Encouraging public school students to turn in their parents for minor city law infractions-???
5. Two-year prison terms for people who play online poker-No
6. Stronger anti-gambling enforcement such as breaking up charity poker games-No
7. Arresting civilians for standing still on busy sidewalks-No
8. Seizing the cars of people who play their stereos too loud-Again, Huh
9. Installing talking urinal cakes in men's toilets at bars discouraging drunk driving-Yes
10. Requiring that baking soda be sold only behind the counter-This is ridiculous
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« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2008, 06:32:39 PM »

No to all, though 9 could be amusing.
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« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2008, 06:53:06 PM »

Oppose 1-8 and 10

No objection to 9, but it is rather dumb.
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« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2008, 10:05:32 PM »

9's the only one that doesn't violate civil liberties too. At most it's annoying, but more would probably find that amusing. Ineffective though.
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« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2008, 12:53:14 PM »

1. US government has power to kidnap citizens of foreign countries for violating US law NO
2. Entrapment techniques to catch people who are possibly perverted NO
3. Conviction of people possessing prescribed painkillers even if they have a legitimate prescription NO
4. Encouraging public school students to turn in their parents for minor city law infractions NO
5. Two-year prison terms for people who play online poker NO
6. Stronger anti-gambling enforcement such as breaking up charity poker games NO
7. Arresting civilians for standing still on busy sidewalks NO
8. Seizing the cars of people who play their stereos too loud  NO
9. Installing talking urinal cakes in men's toilets at bars discouraging drunk driving- Phucking Crazy
10. Requiring that baking soda be sold only behind the counter- Wha?

2- see recent article on the man who was arrested for talking to an undercover cop who was sunbathing topless in a park
7- he was arrested in Times Square for disorderly conduct for standing still
10- the rationale is that baking soda can be used to make crack cocaine

http://www.reason.com/news/show/124055.html
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« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2008, 12:53:57 PM »

9's the only one that doesn't violate civil liberties too. At most it's annoying, but more would probably find that amusing. Ineffective though.

Probably cause problems.
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« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2008, 10:32:18 PM »

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« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2008, 02:36:51 AM »

1. US government has power to kidnap citizens of foreign countries for violating US law only with that country's permission
2. Entrapment techniques to catch people who are possibly perverted not sure what you mean by "entrapment techniques"
3. Conviction of people possessing prescribed painkillers even if they have a legitimate prescription -no
4. Encouraging public school students to turn in their parents for minor city law infractions -no
5. Two-year prison terms for people who play online poker -no
6. Stronger anti-gambling enforcement such as breaking up charity poker games -no
7. Arresting civilians for standing still on busy sidewalks -no
8. Seizing the cars of people who play their stereos too loud -no
9. Installing talking urinal cakes in men's toilets at bars discouraging drunk driving lol, no objection, but the whole idea of a talking urinal cake is pretty amusing
10. Requiring that baking soda be sold only behind the counter -no
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« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2008, 03:02:43 PM »

1. US government has power to kidnap citizens of foreign countries for violating US law-no
2. Entrapment techniques to catch people who are possibly perverted-no...
3. Conviction of people possessing prescribed painkillers even if they have a legitimate prescription-no!
4. Encouraging public school students to turn in their parents for minor city law infractions-1984, anyone?
5. Two-year prison terms for people who play online poker-no
6. Stronger anti-gambling enforcement such as breaking up charity poker games-scrap the laws, but if they're there...i don't know.
7. Arresting civilians for standing still on busy sidewalks-no
8. Seizing the cars of people who play their stereos too loud-how loud is too loud? full volume at 3am every night playing Britney Spears? If so, yes.
9. Installing talking urinal cakes in men's toilets at bars discouraging drunk driving-yeah, its a good idea
10. Requiring that baking soda be sold only behind the counter-no
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« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2008, 07:14:34 PM »

This is biased. I'm not going to answer it.
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« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2008, 12:10:50 AM »

 1. US government has power to kidnap citizens of foreign countries for violating US law
They should be treated as U.S. citizens until the consulate/embassy of the respective nation is contacted.

2. Entrapment techniques to catch people who are possibly perverted
No.  I oppose all forms of entrapment.  I see it as sinking to their level.

3. Conviction of people possessing prescribed painkillers even if they have a legitimate prescription
No.  It should be taken into consideration if other crimes were committed.

4. Encouraging public school students to turn in their parents for minor city law infractions
No. 

5. Two-year prison terms for people who play online poker
No. 

6. Stronger anti-gambling enforcement such as breaking up charity poker games
No.

7. Arresting civilians for standing still on busy sidewalks
No.

8. Seizing the cars of people who play their stereos too loud
No.

9. Installing talking urinal cakes in men's toilets at bars discouraging drunk driving
It shouldn't be required.  But hey, it'd be sort of amusing.

10. Requiring that baking soda be sold only behind the counter
Absolutely not.  It would be impossible to enforce.  Some people might buy large quantities at a time to deodorize carpet or perhaps they're just on a baking kick.

2- see recent article on the man who was arrested for talking to an undercover cop who was sunbathing topless in a park
7- he was arrested in Times Square for disorderly conduct for standing still
10- the rationale is that baking soda can be used to make crack cocaine
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« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2008, 12:10:40 PM »

nine is fine, if they aren't government funded.
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« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2008, 10:10:08 PM »

I couldn't get myself behind any of those things. Though, urinating on those talking urinal cakes would be moderately amusing.
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« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2008, 11:00:42 PM »

You know, 9 isn't really that much different than anti-drunk driving posters I've seen before in bar bathrooms. Just a more amusing version. Shouldn't be required though of course.
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« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2008, 01:35:19 AM »

1. US government has power to kidnap citizens of foreign countries for violating US law - Depends on the country and the person and the infraction - but if it's a bad crime and the country won't cooperate, then yes.

2. Entrapment techniques to catch people who are possibly perverted - NO!

3. Conviction of people possessing prescribed painkillers even if they have a legitimate prescription - No - possessing piankiller if htey have a prescription for the painkiller - is this a typo?

4. Encouraging public school students to turn in their parents for minor city law infractions - Yes

5. Two-year prison terms for people who play online poker - No

6. Stronger anti-gambling enforcement such as breaking up charity poker games - No

7. Arresting civilians for standing still on busy sidewalks - If they're protesting and specifically causing problems, yes - if they're waiting for somebody, no.

8. Seizing the cars of people who play their stereos too loud - No.  Give them a ticket.

9. Installing talking urinal cakes in men's toilets at bars discouraging drunk driving - Sure - don't make it mandatory though.

10. Requiring that baking soda be sold only behind the counter -NO!  Those laws are stupid.  Same with printer cleaner sheets and sudaphed.
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« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2008, 01:36:23 AM »

2- see recent article on the man who was arrested for talking to an undercover cop who was sunbathing topless in a park

She wasn't a cop - ABC made a mistake and issued a statement saying so - so, technically it's not entrapment, since she wasn't working with the cops (but if they had an agreement with her, then it would be entrapment).
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« Reply #24 on: January 14, 2008, 02:39:02 AM »
« Edited: January 14, 2008, 02:41:21 AM by Someone »

4. Encouraging public school students to turn in their parents for minor city law infractions - Yes

So you'd call and turn in your parents if their lawn wasn't mowed properly or they weren't recyling or disposing of motor oil according to city standards? Because that's what the question is referring to.

I am happy and somewhat surprised you think laws regulating the sale of meth ingredients are stupid though, especially since you'd have to be borderline retarded to be seriously inconvenienced from making meth because of them.
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