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ilikeverin
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« Reply #50 on: August 09, 2004, 10:30:23 AM »

Criminals don't care about the 10-20-Life rule.  If they're gonna kill someone, they will.

Exactly.  That's why ordinary citizens need to be allowed to carry firearms to protect themselves from those criminals who would do them harm.

Right-o.  The criminal will sure do the following:

"Hello, sir.  How are you?"

*brandishes gun*

"Well, I think I may just shoot you now.  However, I think that I'll wait here considering whether to shoot you... or perhaps I shall do a happy jig for no reason."

*stands there for 2 minutes, then does a happy jig for 2 more minutes*

"Righto, I'm going to shoot you now.  I-am-going-to-shoot-you!"

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The thing is, I think most criminals won't give advance worning that they're going to shoot someone.
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« Reply #51 on: August 09, 2004, 11:04:36 AM »

Criminals don't care about the 10-20-Life rule.  If they're gonna kill someone, they will.

Exactly.  That's why ordinary citizens need to be allowed to carry firearms to protect themselves from those criminals who would do them harm.

Right-o.  The criminal will sure do the following:

"Hello, sir.  How are you?"

*brandishes gun*

"Well, I think I may just shoot you now.  However, I think that I'll wait here considering whether to shoot you... or perhaps I shall do a happy jig for no reason."

*stands there for 2 minutes, then does a happy jig for 2 more minutes*

"Righto, I'm going to shoot you now.  I-am-going-to-shoot-you!"

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The thing is, I think most criminals won't give advance worning that they're going to shoot someone.

You still haven't addressed the fact that having concealed firearms have HELPED save lives, there are clear-cut examples of it -- where has having a concealed weapon for personal safety resulted in the deaths of innocents? Please cite as many examples as you have.
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« Reply #52 on: August 09, 2004, 02:53:45 PM »

Upon the passage of this bill:

1. Any Atlasian citizen who registers with the government may carry a concealed handgun no larger than 9mm.

2. The Atlasia government shall institute a 10-20 Life law to prosecute those who commit gun crimes.Click Here to read the real law.

3. If any Atlaisan citizen uses a concealed handgun in self defense it must be proven by a court of law. If it is ruled that they weren’t acting in self defense they will be charged based on the 10-20-Life Law.


If you wish to add to this bill I am open to suggestions! Let the debate begin! Smiley



This bill was proposed before me by MasterJedi

I wish to amend this bill to remove Section 3.  I feel this section of the bill does damage to the basic foundation of American law that a person is innocent until proven guilty.  A man or woman who claims to have shot a person in self defence should only be brought into a court of law if there is at least some amount of evidence showing that their act was not in self defence.  By automatically requiring all those who may have used a gun in self defence to defend themselves in a court of law is a violation of the basic principle of innocent until proven guilty.

Secondly, this section is unnecessary.  It goes without saying that any shooting incident would be investigated by the police.  If the evidence suggest that a person did not in fact act out of self defence, that person will be prosecuted using the same procedures as any other criminal.  There is no need to alter the criminal justice system for the perpetrators of such crimes.

However, I fully support the first two sections of this bill.
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« Reply #53 on: August 09, 2004, 03:22:22 PM »

"An armed society is a polite society."
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« Reply #54 on: August 09, 2004, 07:58:48 PM »

Criminals don't care about the 10-20-Life rule.  If they're gonna kill someone, they will.

Exactly.  That's why ordinary citizens need to be allowed to carry firearms to protect themselves from those criminals who would do them harm.

Right-o.  The criminal will sure do the following:

"Hello, sir.  How are you?"

*brandishes gun*

"Well, I think I may just shoot you now.  However, I think that I'll wait here considering whether to shoot you... or perhaps I shall do a happy jig for no reason."

*stands there for 2 minutes, then does a happy jig for 2 more minutes*

"Righto, I'm going to shoot you now.  I-am-going-to-shoot-you!"

---

The thing is, I think most criminals won't give advance worning that they're going to shoot someone.

You still haven't addressed the fact that having concealed firearms have HELPED save lives, there are clear-cut examples of it -- where has having a concealed weapon for personal safety resulted in the deaths of innocents? Please cite as many examples as you have.

LOL, they're being shot by other peoples' concealed weapons!
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« Reply #55 on: August 10, 2004, 01:11:45 AM »

I move to amend the Atlasia Concealed Firearm Act of 2004 by eliminating Section 3 of the bill.
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« Reply #56 on: August 10, 2004, 02:05:14 PM »

I move to amend the Atlasia Concealed Firearm Act of 2004 by eliminating Section 3 of the bill.

Motion noted, debate shall continue for now and before voting on the whole act we will vote upon the amendment. (Voting will commence 1 week after debate began in accordance with the Senatorial Procedure Resolution.
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« Reply #57 on: August 16, 2004, 01:29:25 PM »

I move to amend the Atlasia Concealed Firearm Act of 2004 by eliminating Section 3 of the bill.

(sorry a day late)

We will now commence voting on the amendment proposed by Sen. Stevennick to remove Section Three of the bill proposed by Sen. StatesRights, all in favour say yea, all opposed say nay.
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« Reply #58 on: August 16, 2004, 01:56:14 PM »
« Edited: August 16, 2004, 01:56:52 PM by Senator John F. Kennedy, PPT »

I vote yea, mainly because of a wording problem on it that means it has to be proven by the court rather than in the court that they were not acting in self defence.

(A crummy reason but hey)
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« Reply #59 on: August 16, 2004, 02:32:50 PM »

Yea.
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« Reply #60 on: August 16, 2004, 04:06:06 PM »

Yea
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« Reply #61 on: August 16, 2004, 04:09:20 PM »

Yea
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« Reply #62 on: August 16, 2004, 04:10:10 PM »


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« Reply #63 on: August 16, 2004, 04:14:26 PM »


Maybe I won't endorse anyone in your race Sad
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« Reply #64 on: August 16, 2004, 04:28:12 PM »

Abstain
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« Reply #65 on: August 16, 2004, 04:29:03 PM »


Way to go Kerry. Smiley
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« Reply #66 on: August 16, 2004, 07:03:45 PM »

I abstain.
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« Reply #67 on: August 17, 2004, 05:21:57 AM »


Why so surprised, you realise this is a vote on the amendment to the act right?

We have four votes for and two abstentions, one more for the motion and the amendment passes.
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« Reply #68 on: August 17, 2004, 08:46:04 AM »


I voted against the actual bill itself.
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« Reply #69 on: August 17, 2004, 11:11:08 AM »

Ah.  Never mind.  Sorry.

I proudly endorse you Smiley
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« Reply #70 on: August 17, 2004, 11:12:50 AM »


Thank you. Feel free to make your endorsement known in the Fantasy Elections thread so voters can see it.
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« Reply #71 on: August 17, 2004, 04:14:30 PM »

Abstain on the amendment.
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« Reply #72 on: August 18, 2004, 05:12:12 AM »

With four votes in favour and three abstentions the amendment to the Atlasia Concealed Firearms Act of 2004 has passed.

Please now vote either yea or nay on the amended act.
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« Reply #73 on: August 18, 2004, 09:50:28 AM »
« Edited: August 18, 2004, 01:55:03 PM by Senator StatesRights »

Yea...I messed up so I apologize.
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« Reply #74 on: August 18, 2004, 11:32:21 AM »
« Edited: August 18, 2004, 11:32:53 AM by MasterJedi »


 =O  You're voting against it the bill?
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