The Atlasia Concealed Firearm Act of 2004

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I see no logical flaws to this bill, but I will play devil's advocate, and ask the bill's sponsor, Mr. Rights, some real examples of how a concealed handgun has helped save lives, and any opponents of this bill to provide examples where having a concealed handgun has resulted in the injury or death of innocents. After all, opposition to this bill is useless unless you have a significant reason to back it up.

I think of something like this a little bit like national security; we can wait until the problem comes to us, when it's too late, or we can take action NOW and make an attempt to prevent an accdient, and that is why I will vote yes on this bill.

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Criminals don't care about the 10-20-Life rule.  If they're gonna kill someone, they will.  Making concealed guns legal for them is only going to drive up the crime rate.  I will absolutely vote no on this bill.

Then why has crime dropped over 5% in Florida since the concealed weapons law was passed here in Florida?

Because crime has been falling nationwide.  It's part of a trend

Crime falls for a REASON, Governor.

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Nation as per your request.

http://www.sacsconsulting.com/ccw_RealStories.htm

http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcInfoBase.asp?CatID=43

Loads of stories, enjoy!

Ah, thank you Senator.

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Criminals don't care about the 10-20-Life rule.  If they're gonna kill someone, they will.  Making concealed guns legal for them is only going to drive up the crime rate.  I will absolutely vote no on this bill.

Then why has crime dropped over 5% in Florida since the concealed weapons law was passed here in Florida?

Because crime has been falling nationwide.  It's part of a trend

Crime falls for a REASON, Governor.

Yes, a higher standard of living, more education, more gun control... then again, I have no clue why crime was so high during the Reagan and Bush years, before crime started decreasing.

Finally, I bet Florida's crime decreased because they've gotten a higher standard of living lately, and have been getting way more prosperous

What areas have gotten a higher standard of living, and where is most of the crime occurring? What evidence do you have that your general statements like "more education" and "more gun control" have been the cause of lesser crime?

Second, I would appreciate it if you (or any Senators who are against this act) could provide some examples like Senator StatesRights did with his position, of how concealed handguns will cause more problems then they will solve?

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To Mr. Ford:

Wouldn't a terrorrist be able to get an AK-47 whether they were legal or not?

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Yes, but the fact that they would be able to legally carry one around is dangerous.  If a cop stops someone with an AK-47 in their possession, they can be arrested.  If they have a permit to carry the weapon, though, they can continue along and the cops can't stop them. Possession would be legal, and we'd have no recourse to arrest such a person until they have actually committed a terrorist act.

Good points. Yes, I suppose excluding assault weapons may be a good idea then. But Texasgurl already addressed the problems, there we go.

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Criminals don't care about the 10-20-Life rule.  If they're gonna kill someone, they will.

Exactly.  That's why ordinary citizens need to be allowed to carry firearms to protect themselves from those criminals who would do them harm.

Right-o.  The criminal will sure do the following:

"Hello, sir.  How are you?"

*brandishes gun*

"Well, I think I may just shoot you now.  However, I think that I'll wait here considering whether to shoot you... or perhaps I shall do a happy jig for no reason."

*stands there for 2 minutes, then does a happy jig for 2 more minutes*

"Righto, I'm going to shoot you now.  I-am-going-to-shoot-you!"

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The thing is, I think most criminals won't give advance worning that they're going to shoot someone.

You still haven't addressed the fact that having concealed firearms have HELPED save lives, there are clear-cut examples of it -- where has having a concealed weapon for personal safety resulted in the deaths of innocents? Please cite as many examples as you have.

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Abstain on the amendment.

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I liked it before the amendment, but --- I vote aye.

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The streets will indeed have fewer guns

Yes, instead, the only people to have them will be criminals.