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« on: January 07, 2008, 08:52:50 AM »

I look forward to future maps... Grin
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« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2008, 07:38:04 AM »

It's interesting just to how big a degree the south east of Dublin stands out from everywhere else.

I must say I was also a little surprised Cork County has so many more in Classes 1&2 than most. It's interesting in comparison with Cork city and Limerick and Galway.

I knew Monaghan was likely to be above average on the skilled manual scale but wouldn't have figured it at what seems to be the top of the scale.

I think the farmer numbers are interesting as well. Carlow; Westmeath; Longford ;and Donegal stand out.
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« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2008, 10:55:19 AM »

Donegal's stance on Nice is fascinating. I have no idea as to why it was so much against the Treaty compared to elsewhere (except maybe Kerry North).

I hadn't realised the Death Penalty one was an EU thing (I can't see why it should have been, the last execution being what? the 50's and it being removed from the statute books around 1989/90?). Would have been interesting to see how the numbers would have changed on this had it had the benefit of the extra voters for Nice II. I presume it would have made it a huge win.
Cavan-Monaghan's strength here pleasantly surprises.

For the college degrees, Limerick's relative lack of graduates compared to Galway and Cork stands out. I think what would be (and will continue to be) intersting here is how this stat has changed over time. For the future it should be a good indicator of the success or otherwise of the National Development Plan.

Anyway, keep up the good work!
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« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2008, 07:17:04 PM »

2. In Dublin the pattern did not change much from Nice (West and North Central Dublin being most Anti): But South (East) Dublin here was not the most pro-EU part of the country - that would be rural connacht - and the number one constituency for yes was Longford-Roscommon (66.72%) while in both Nice referendum Dun Laoghaire recorded the best "yes".

3. What happened in South West Munster? Nice II did better here.

4. Donegal was just below the national Average here. So what happened in Nice? (I suspect it has something to do with the fisheries...)

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As I said the Fisheries and the common belief in Donegal that they are constantly ignored by the other 25 Counties and by Dublin in particular. I may be wrong but..

As for Kerry North - the Anti-EU vote and the Sinn Fein vote are probably interconnected. Though I admit I know very little about this constituency except that it is probably out of all the constituencies the most dependant on Tourist Income for their local economy (that's a guess btw).

The SF influence in Kerry is probably a good point, and would probably help out in Donegal as well.
Fisheries is also a fair proposition, though we'd require non-existant more localised returns (presumably the Killybegs hinterland) to give more credence to that theory.

The contrast between Nice II and Amsterdam is quite something. The movement of the strong yes belt from the Mayo-Louth line southwards to a Clare-Meath line is another oe of many things beyond my ability to explain.

On the tourist income thing, Kerry North is probably very high on the list. If I had to make a bet though I'd guess Kerry South might just edge it.

Btw Jas, do you recall the 1999 Local government referendum - apart from my bafflement at what exactly it was about - would you happen to have any idea why it was so strange - Turnout wise? 75% in Leitrim, 34% in South Dublin? It was held the same day as EU parliament elections if that explains anything..

I was just looking at the figures...
Dublin's figures being low don't surprise terribly - IIRC that's not unusual where Local or European elections are held.

For the high figures, I'm presuming it may have been due to a combination of a relatively low population and having a candidate (or candidates) in the European election. IIRC, Joe McCartin MEP (FG-Connacht/Ulster) was from Leitrim - which presumably helped bump turnout in Ireland's least populated county.
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« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2008, 08:00:19 PM »

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Possibly. Though I think that Kerry South has alot more farmers and Killarney is alot more affulent than Tralee is.

Killarney probably is more afluent, but I'd put this down to having a stronger tourist industry.

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Perhaps, that is still higher than many General Election turnouts.

Also the Amsterdam map coincides with the map of farmers than the Nice maps do. Weren't there CAP reforms between that period (or was it later, I cannae remember)?

The most significant CAP reform (for Irish farmers anyway) in recent years, decoupling, was IIRC brought in after Nice (though may have been known about beforehand). The strong evident correlation though would imply that the farmers' vote is connected to the shift.
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