Gully Foyle's Ireland Place

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Here is where I shall be stacking my specially created Ireland-related maps in future. I have also posted this in the Gallery but very few people visit there so...

Here is my first map (and may be my last for a while..) Some things aren't perfect (the Islands and the manually drawn constituency boundaries especially; though they make up very few though most constituencies have changed slightly in the past six years - I used the 2007 map as template)



For the foreigners here I'll just quote my gallery post to give you information...

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A supplementary map on Turnout again also posted at the Gallery:

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Put to good use

Indeed.

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Might want to fill in the little islands off Ireland, would look nicer.

I know. I *tried* doing that but for some reason Microsoft Paint failed on me.

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Given the close result and the United Ireland map, I wonder how the North would have voted actually.

If that was the case I suspect that the result in the Republic would be different too. LocalismTribalismSectaranism and all that..

Anyway I'll post these maps which I have already in the Gallery here aswell, they are interesting.. though flawed but I'll get more feedback here.

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And this Farmers should remove some of the confusion..

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The Funny thing is that is just Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown and not the D4\D6 area which is officially part of the city but also on the South East 'side' - if you included that then the difference would be even greater..

So in other words, proving how much better we are than the rest of the country.

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Also Waterford... which I foolishly drew too small.

As for Cork, Galway and Limerick most of their suburbs are technically outside their city limits - as from experience these include some very well off areas (Like Castelconell in Limerick or Salthill in Galway..) and that would explain those numbers.

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Yep. Along with Wexford on that scale but highest over all..

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Given that I had work with numerical data at first the thing that really stood out were the 345 farmers registered in Dublin City...

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Given that we will have a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty this year, old maps of previous referendums on the EU will be provided.

First of all, The First Nice Treaty Referendum in Ireland. The only one which ever was rejected (one reason why: Look at the Turnout.)

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The pattern, especially around Dublin, looks very like the occupation maps posted earlier.

This would even more obvious if I could ever get a map of Dublin Ward-by-ward. Though I don't know whether or not they count referendum data by such a breakdown. (I don't think they would..)

Anyway the "We are a still a Democracy but you gave the Wrong answer" referendum, Ie. Nice II below:

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The turnaround is rather stunning, even if it's only in turnout differences.

Numerically between the two Referendums the "No" Vote only increased by about 5,000 votes; while just under 500,000 more turned up.

Anyway Abolishment of the Death Penalty (which was already de facto abolished anyway prior to 2001; held on the same day as Nice I) - the referendum was EU Decreed.



EDIT: Added another slightly unrelated map - people with college degrees. The Red Ts mark major universities.

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For Comparsion the 1998 Treaty of Amsterdam referendum, though it must be said some of the constituencies boundaries *may* be wrong - data on this is actually difficult to find. But the contrast to Nice I and Nice II is quite noteworthy (especially given that - more so than Nice - this treaty was about giving slightly more democratic reform - reform of the EU parliament especially.)



Things of Note:
1. Turnout: Much higher than Nice I and still higher than Nice II - which were held respectively 3 and 4 years later.

2. In Dublin the pattern did not change much from Nice (West and North Central Dublin being most Anti): But South (East) Dublin here was not the most pro-EU part of the country - that would be rural connacht - and the number one constituency for yes was Longford-Roscommon (66.72%) while in both Nice referendum Dun Laoghaire recorded the best "yes".

3. What happened in South West Munster? Nice II did better here.

4. Donegal was just below the national Average here. So what happened in Nice? (I suspect it has something to do with the fisheries...)

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As I said the Fisheries and the common belief in Donegal that they are constantly ignored by the other 25 Counties and by Dublin in particular. I may be wrong but..

As for Kerry North - the Anti-EU vote and the Sinn Fein vote are probably interconnected. Though I admit I know very little about this constituency except that it is probably out of all the constituencies the most dependant on Tourist Income for their local economy (that's a guess btw).

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I'm not too sure tbh; all I can recall is that it was held on the same day as Nice I (and the International Criminal Court referendum) and the other two were EU prerogitatives. I suspect it has something to do with putting the ban in the constitution - but I can't be sure on this. And up until 1990 or so there were "Death Row Prisoners" IIRC in Ireland though none were ever executed or were ever had a chance of beinge executed despite the sentence. (Obviously there weren't many; and one of those prisoners IIRC was later found to be innocent.)

Btw Jas, do you recall the 1999 Local government referendum - apart from my bafflement at what exactly it was about - would you happen to have any idea why it was so strange - Turnout wise? 75% in Leitrim, 34% in South Dublin? It was held the same day as EU parliament elections if that explains anything..

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Not in 2001\2. SF only began building an organisation there after the 2002 election. Though for Lisbon it's going to be a factor.

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Possibly. Though I think that Kerry South has alot more farmers and Killarney is alot more affulent than Tralee is.

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Perhaps, that is still higher than many General Election turnouts.

Also the Amsterdam map coincides with the map of farmers than the Nice maps do. Weren't there CAP reforms between that period (or was it later, I cannae remember)?

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Isn't Donegal also one of the best regions for SF IIRC?

Of late. I think it's a recent development.

Essentially. They only started building up a strong vote there after the 2002 elections and did well in the 2004 locals and were widely expected to win one - if not two - seats in Donegal at the last GE - but failed.

Anyway support for SF at local level doesn't explain it fully - Cavan\Monaghan has a SF TD and has had one since 1997 yet there is little evidence of there being in these maps of any strong Anti-EU vote outside of the typical 20-30ish percent.