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« on: August 08, 2004, 07:16:03 PM »
« edited: August 08, 2004, 07:37:43 PM by Better Red Than Dead »

not about their term, but about how good the guy himself was, like the people who say Hoover and Carter were bad but not bad guys wouldn't put them on the list.

I say:

1-LBJ (corrupt, scandal-ridden, selfish bastard responsible for the deaths of 60,00 Americans, countless Vietnamese, Camodianas and Laotians, and a US President)
2-George W Bush (I should probably say Cheney, but my reasons are obvious)
3-Andrew Jackson (genocidal Native slaughterer)
4-Reagan (heartless bastard)
5-Fillmore (Xenophobic Know-Nothing candidate)
6-Coolidge (arch-conservative with ties to the KKK)
7-Tyler (racist fool)
8-Pierce (another weak leading racist)
9-Wilson (despite his accomplishments, his racism, assaults on civil liberties, and lies about war can't be forgiven)
10-Nixon (just corrupt)
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« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2004, 07:22:17 PM »

I know the top two...

Warren G. Harding (R) and James Buchanan (D) (Buchanan being the worst).

I might make a top 10 list later.
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« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2004, 07:26:48 PM »

hmm... Im not sure of the ethical qualities, or lack thereof of the earlier presidents, but lets see... I wont be able to name 10 but here are some ideas.

1. First of all, George W Bush does not make the list.  One may think he is a liar, but im sorry, I dont think he could be a liar unless he is faking his faith


Actually i basically agree with BRTD except for

1.Bush
2.Reagan
3.Coolidge


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« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2004, 07:27:42 PM »

good point.  Add Harding
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« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2004, 07:30:31 PM »
« Edited: August 08, 2004, 07:31:12 PM by Better Red Than Dead »

Harding wasn't that bad of a guy personally. Aside from the scandal (which he wasn't even directly involved in) I don't think he did that bad anyway, he pardoned Debs and was probably the best president on racial issues up until that point, he gave a very strong speech against lynching.
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« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2004, 07:31:39 PM »

1. First of all, George W Bush does not make the list.  One may think he is a liar, but im sorry, I dont think he could be a liar unless he is faking his faith

and I think he is.
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« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2004, 07:31:39 PM »

I know the top two...

Warren G. Harding (R) and James Buchanan (D) (Buchanan being the worst).

I might make a top 10 list later.

Harding wasn't that bad of a guy. Aside from the scandals I don't think he did that bad anyway

Scandals made up almost all of his time in office.
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« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2004, 07:32:50 PM »
« Edited: August 08, 2004, 07:33:40 PM by Better Red Than Dead »

But they didn't directly involve him for the most part. I don't think he was evil or anything, just not fit to be president. Like I said above, I can somewhat forgive him for those on acount of the fact he pardoned Debs and was the best president up until the point on racial issues.
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« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2004, 07:34:29 PM »

not about their term, but about how good the guy himself was, like the people who say Hoover and Carter were bad but not bad guys wouldn't put them on the list.

I didn't see that part. When it comes to the man himself (not based on his Presidency) I'm not sure if Harding was a "bad" guy. Buchanan though was weak and still deserves to be on my list.
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« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2004, 07:35:56 PM »
« Edited: August 08, 2004, 07:36:57 PM by Better Red Than Dead »

yes, I agree about Buchanan. Harding was a weak president but he wasn't a bad guy. Kind of like Grant.

Although Buchanan isn't on my list anymore, he got bumped off by someone I can't believe I forgot.
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« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2004, 08:49:09 PM »

1. Jackson
2. LBJ
3. Clinton
4. Nixon
5. Kennedy
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« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2004, 08:53:09 PM »
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I'm suprised you're the first Republican to mention Clinton. Soon as I made this I expected hordes of Republicans to go screaming "CLINTON #1 DEFINATELY, HE GOT A BLOWJOB FROM AN ULGY INTERN!"

Why Kennedy? That concerned about his private life?
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« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2004, 08:53:21 PM »

Nixon
LBJ
Kennedy
I like Clintons Personality but if Integrity or Family Values count for anything then he has to be Near the top.
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« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2004, 08:56:05 PM »

I'm suprised you're the first Republican to mention Clinton. Soon as I made this I expected hordes of Republicans to go screaming "CLINTON #1 DEFINATELY, HE GOT A BLOWJOB FROM AN ULGY INTERN!"

Why Kennedy? That concerned about his private life?


Kennnedy, a "Family" man with 2 small kids sleeping around with Americas Sweetheart doesnt exactly scream Ethics.
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« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2004, 10:10:11 PM »

1. Andrew Johnson
2. George W. Bush
3. Warren Harding (He said it best in his speech to the 1920 convention)
4. Millard Filmore
5. Nixon
6. LBJ
7. Wilson
I'll stop here.
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« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2004, 03:31:34 AM »

I guess this is different from ten worst presidents, though its hard for me to separate the two.  FDR was the worst president, but not as bad a man as Johnson, who was the second worst president.

1) Lyndon Johnson
2) Theodore Roosevelt
3) Franklin Roosevelt
4) Woodrow Wilson
5) Richard Nixon
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« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2004, 06:51:39 AM »


Yes, I see how winning WWII and helping the nation through the Great Depression makes someone the worst president.
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« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2004, 02:32:59 PM »


Yes, I see how winning WWII and helping the nation through the Great Depression makes someone the worst president.

He was a socialist.  And I don't think the president 'wins' wars, the nation does.  Roosevelt was very good at bucking up morale, but I think almost any president could've led the nation to victory.
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« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2004, 04:15:02 PM »

The nation needed a socialist at that time.  Just temporarily to get us out of the Depression.
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« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2004, 06:59:08 PM »

not about their term, but about how good the guy himself was, like the people who say Hoover and Carter were bad but not bad guys wouldn't put them on the list.

I say:

1-LBJ (corrupt, scandal-ridden, selfish bastard responsible for the deaths of 60,00 Americans, countless Vietnamese, Camodianas and Laotians, and a US President)
2-George W Bush (I should probably say Cheney, but my reasons are obvious)
3-Andrew Jackson (genocidal Native slaughterer)
4-Reagan (heartless bastard)
5-Fillmore (Xenophobic Know-Nothing candidate)
6-Coolidge (arch-conservative with ties to the KKK)
7-Tyler (racist fool)
8-Pierce (another weak leading racist)
9-Wilson (despite his accomplishments, his racism, assaults on civil liberties, and lies about war can't be forgiven)
10-Nixon (just corrupt)

I really don't see how you can omit Clinton. Whitewater, Juanita Broderick, lying under oath, Vince Foster, I could go on. Tyler was a guy who would stand for what he thought was right no matter how unpopular his view was. Clinton would just find out which way the wind was blowing.

As for my choices
1. Clinton - lying, self-centered rapist
2. Jackson - impolite, ruthless, cruel, vicious
3. L. Johnson - intimidating and totally corrupt
4. F. Roosevelt - he himself acknoledged he had done enough illegal acts to be imprisoned for 999 years
5. Kennedy - Bill Clintion's role model
6. A. Johnson - far too bitter and prejudiced
7. Harding - not as bad as is usually portrayed but he still had several extramarital affairs
8. Lincoln - exiled Clement Vallandigham from the US because he dared use his right of free speech
9. Arthur - cleaned up when he became president but was corrupt as Customs Collector of New York
10. Nixon - a highly bitter and mysterious personality
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« Reply #20 on: August 10, 2004, 02:14:37 AM »

I'm suprised you're the first Republican to mention Clinton. Soon as I made this I expected hordes of Republicans to go screaming "CLINTON #1 DEFINATELY, HE GOT A BLOWJOB FROM AN ULGY INTERN!"

Why Kennedy? That concerned about his private life?

He did more thans sex with Monica.  There was his shady real estate deals, there was his use of thwe IRS as a weapon, there was his misappropriation of key FBI files, and there was his perjury.  He was a sh*tty person.

Kennedy's flaws extend beyond his sex life as well.  He was a dedicated nepotist, appointing his brother as Attorney General.  He lied about his health during the election.  He was the son of a bootlegger.  He chose bonming chicks over working for Civil Rights.  Bad person.
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« Reply #21 on: August 10, 2004, 03:24:19 AM »

As for my choices
1. Clinton - lying, self-centered rapist
2. Jackson - impolite, ruthless, cruel, vicious
3. L. Johnson - intimidating and totally corrupt
4. F. Roosevelt - he himself acknoledged he had done enough illegal acts to be imprisoned for 999 years
5. Kennedy - Bill Clintion's role model
6. A. Johnson - far too bitter and prejudiced
7. Harding - not as bad as is usually portrayed but he still had several extramarital affairs
8. Lincoln - exiled Clement Vallandigham from the US because he dared use his right of free speech
9. Arthur - cleaned up when he became president but was corrupt as Customs Collector of New York
10. Nixon - a highly bitter and mysterious personality

With the exception of LBJ and Nixon I agree completely with this list. I never understood why Americans remember Kennedy so fondly - had he lived he likely would not have been re-elected. That's why he was in Dallas the day he was killed, because Texas was a crucial state he thought would cost him the election.

John F. Kennedy was a horrible, immoral, lying, filthy man. He wasn't all that good looking either.
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« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2004, 05:03:44 PM »

As for my choices
1. Clinton - lying, self-centered rapist
2. Jackson - impolite, ruthless, cruel, vicious
3. L. Johnson - intimidating and totally corrupt
4. F. Roosevelt - he himself acknoledged he had done enough illegal acts to be imprisoned for 999 years
5. Kennedy - Bill Clintion's role model
6. A. Johnson - far too bitter and prejudiced
7. Harding - not as bad as is usually portrayed but he still had several extramarital affairs
8. Lincoln - exiled Clement Vallandigham from the US because he dared use his right of free speech
9. Arthur - cleaned up when he became president but was corrupt as Customs Collector of New York
10. Nixon - a highly bitter and mysterious personality

With the exception of LBJ and Nixon I agree completely with this list. I never understood why Americans remember Kennedy so fondly - had he lived he likely would not have been re-elected. That's why he was in Dallas the day he was killed, because Texas was a crucial state he thought would cost him the election.

John F. Kennedy was a horrible, immoral, lying, filthy man. He wasn't all that good looking either.

I think Kennedy would have been re-elected personally, he had the highest average approval ratings for his time in office of all Presidents of the past half century or century (I forget which).

Coming from a huge fan of Richard Nixon, I find the "horrible, immoral, lying, fithy man" part to be HUGELY ironic considering many of the things Nixon said in private, generally abrasive, sexist and racist comments. He was also pretty paranoid.

Kennedy had a few extramarrital relationships, but, if we are honest, a hell of a lot of politicians have.

All politicians are bastards, the first thing they teach you in politics A-level at my school because to get to where they are today, they have had to knife so many people in the back (or the front).

I believe Boss Tweed puts it as "Leave your ethics at the door".

Ford, on the lying about health, well, FDR did too, he used to have two big guys accompany him side-by-side effectively carrying him because he couldn't walk. I fail to see how lying about health problems makes you a bad person.

I wouldn't list Kennedy as a terrible person, mainly because of his World War II service, he did some bad things, but also some great things. He dragged several of his crewmen from his PT boat after it was hit and swam to an island, I believe he rescued all but one despite being seriously injured at the time.
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« Reply #23 on: August 10, 2004, 08:19:47 PM »

1. Lincoln
2. FDR
3. LBJ
4. Bush II


There's more, but it's basically been down-hill since Lincoln.
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« Reply #24 on: August 11, 2004, 06:01:24 AM »

I don't understand this LBJ hatred. This the worst man ever to be president actually signed into law some of the most important legislation in American history. Please remember no American with the possible exception of Lincoln has done more for the African American cause than Lyndon Baines Johnson.
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