Abortion

[Person Man]

..and most abortions happen within the first 8 weeks.

[Ebowed]

The issue of 'partial birth' abortion is pretty much a straw man.

[Person Man]

The issue of 'partial birth' abortion is pretty much a straw man.

Seriously. Same with nuclear terrorism and federally mandated acceptance of gay marriage. Neither are going to happen and anyone who thinks so has something listed in the DSM-IV because of it.

[Ebowed]

I would support federally mandated acceptance of gay marriage.

[Person Man]

By the courts, I mean.

[SPC]

I would support federally mandated acceptance of gay marriage.

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[Joe Republic]

I would support federally mandated acceptance of gay marriage.

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Ebowed's proposal does not preclude a possible constitutional amendment.

[SPC]

I would support federally mandated acceptance of gay marriage.

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Ebowed's proposal does not preclude a possible constitutional amendment.

Good point. However, the chances of a constitutional amendment regarding that topic is nearly zero, so I would imagine that the only way that could happen would be through activist judges.

[Willy Woz]

There is an argument that murder could be legalized or AIDS should be allowed to occur if you believe that abortion should be allowed to occur out of the inability to stop it. Then again, there are issues of prevalence and human nature. 90% of women get abortions, regardless of legality. Only .1% of the population murders. Also, 57 or 58% of the population believes that abortion should be legal. Only .01% believes murder should be legal.

Yes. Certainly. 90% of women get abortions. 98% of men regularly have gay sex. 89% of people lose their virginity by age 5. During the Middle Ages the numbers were 97%, 100%, and 99% respectively.

[GMantis]

There is an argument that murder could be legalized or AIDS should be allowed to occur if you believe that abortion should be allowed to occur out of the inability to stop it. Then again, there are issues of prevalence and human nature. 90% of women get abortions, regardless of legality. Only .1% of the population murders. Also, 57 or 58% of the population believes that abortion should be legal. Only .01% believes murder should be legal.

Yes. Certainly. 90% of women get abortions. 98% of men regularly have gay sex. 89% of people lose their virginity by age 5. During the Middle Ages the numbers were 97%, 100%, and 99% respectively.

Using hyperbole will not make your idiocy any more true.

[exopolitician]

I support the right of women to do whatever the fcuk they want with their bodies. Thats my take on things...thanks.

[dead0man]

Does the man have any say?

[Ban my account ffs!]

Does the man have any say?

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Let's look at it this way:

If you can convince men to be loyal to women and live up to their responsibility of raising the child rather than taking off as soon as he blows his load... then maybe men can have a say.

Unfortunately, if a woman decides to have the baby, she's in it for the long haul.  Chances are, the man will bolt and not be held responsible for helping raise the child leaving the woman to raise the child alone... at which point those men will be screaming the loudest calling for an end to abortion and going on and on about how these women should have kept their legs closed and how they don't deserve any help from the government.. because they weren't responsible..

Sorry, Dead0man, but the pathetic "well the man should have a say too!!" argument is nullified by your fellow brethren who have ruined the lives of countless women.

[dead0man]

Yeah, because no woman in history has ever tricked a dude into getting her pregnant before.  Yep, no woman ever has ever had a baby just to "hook a man".  Yessiree, no father has ever been screwed by the state when it comes to child support and visitation rights.

But that's not even where I was going with my loaded question, thanks for trying though!

Next!

[Kaine for Senate '18]

I feel that the right to have an abortion is protected under the 9th Amendment.

[Person Man]

Yeah, because no woman in history has ever tricked a dude into getting her pregnant before.  Yep, no woman ever has ever had a baby just to "hook a man".  Yessiree, no father has ever been screwed by the state when it comes to child support and visitation rights.

But that's not even where I was going with my loaded question, thanks for trying though!

Next!

You are actually both right. Family Law/Abortion should start looking more into making sure that the man and woman can't screw each other over (NPI) in dumping their little buddle of joy on eachother.

For example, if abortion is banned their should be much stronger child  support enforcement laws to make sure that the man can't put a woman in the lurch and conversly, if abortion is to remain generally legal, a man should be able to "call dibs" on a child, so that he is the one who is "pregnant" and at birth, he can be the parent.

[dead0man]

I don't even know if I know if I'd go that far.  The woman still has the issue of carrying the bastard around for 9ish months.  She'd at least need to be heavily compensated by the father for her time and troubles.  Allowing the fathers to "abort" their fatherhood before birth would seem fair, but even that wouldn't necessarily be "fair" to the women (and to slightly lesser extent, the children) negatively affected by it.  There is probably no fair way to deal with the situation politically.  The current system certainly isn't fair as it favors the woman.  It's to compensate for natures advantage given to the man, but I think it goes to far.  It does seem to be getting better, but nothing is going to make my ex wife not move to Atlanta in 1999 with my son.




I'm not bitter.


ok..maybe a little

[Person Man]

What would be the idea that would compensate for man's natural advantage in avoiding child rearing?

[AkSaber]

I am strongly pro-life. I've always been like that, even now when I'm not the off-the-charts Rightie I used to be. I think Roe v. Wade should be overturned, and support a Right to Life amendment banning abortion except to save the mother's life.

[Person Man]

You should be catholic.

[AkSaber]

Heh. I'm not Catholic, nor do I have any desire to become one.

[Person Man]

Well, it would be a good idea if you were interested?

[AkSaber]

No way. I have zero desire to join the Catholic Church.

[Person Man]

You have at least this in common with them *shrugs*

[phk]

Its a very powerful political tool.