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« on: January 15, 2008, 08:05:00 PM »

On Fox News Channel, they're already talking about exit poll results.  They just said that among black voters voting in the Dem. primary, it was:

Uncommitted 69%
Clinton 25%


Surprise, surprise. Actually, given the extremely low turnout, it's very possible that Clinton ends up humiliated. (The black vote will be a substantial part of the overall result.) We shall see.
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« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2008, 08:12:09 PM »

Is anyone else besides me thinking, that Uncommitted will win Detroit?

if the exit polls are anywhere close to correct there's no chance that it doesn't.

Does Michigan do things proportional by CD or proportional overall?
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« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2008, 08:48:20 PM »


There seem to be some counties, particularly in the UP, where no Uncommitted votes were recorded at all. The campaign seems to have reached some areas and not others.
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« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2008, 08:56:14 PM »


There seem to be some counties, particularly in the UP, where no Uncommitted votes were recorded at all. The campaign seems to have reached some areas and not others.
I would say that in the UP not many would vote for Obama in a normal election. Edwards might even beat out Obama in most UP areas.

The latter, probably, but Obama would still have managed 15-20% in the UP counties (with Edwards at more like 20-25%). That doesn't account for the abnormally low Uncommitted votes there, only uninformed voters do.
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« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2008, 09:08:48 PM »

Maybe they just don't see a need to call it.
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« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2008, 09:19:16 PM »

The CNN exit poll also suggests that the result would have been reasonably close with Obama and Edwards on the ballot:

Clinton: 45
Obama: 37
Edwards: 12
Kucinich: 2
Rchardson: 1

(Of course, this is skewed by turnout and a lack of campaigning by all involved.)
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« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2008, 09:43:13 PM »


Cheesy

But why Emmet County? I would have expected Wayne County, and maybe Washtenaw and Ingham Counties, but why Emmet?
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« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2008, 09:46:14 PM »

No, Emmet County is at the far north end of the LP. Washtenaw County is Ann Arbor and UMich (and Ingham County is East Lansing, where MSU is).
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« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2008, 10:00:05 PM »

Uncommitted leads Washtenaw County. Wayne County still looks very oddly unlike the exit poll, though the 34% may be almost exclusively white areas.
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« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2008, 10:11:27 PM »

Wayne County tightened substantially with the most recent 14% in (from something like 63-32 to 53-42), so it may in the end reflect the exit poll. Clinton has probably won Ingham County, unless East Lansing isn't in at all or something.
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« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2008, 10:27:00 PM »

Clinton 208,061 58%
 Uncommitted 131,421 37%
 Kucinich 14,488 4%
 Dodd 2,526 1%
 Gravel 1,597 0%

65% reporting - I noticed she also lost Washtenaw Co. too.

Unless you know something I don't, Washtenaw is only 47% in, though Uncommitted does indeed lead.
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« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2008, 11:05:45 PM »

If it hits 40% I will be VERY pleased.

It may well; almost all of what's left is from counties where Uncommitted is over 40%.
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« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2008, 12:16:33 AM »

Apparently there were about 20 counties that had computer systems that wouldn't count Uncommitted.

Is that...legal?  Will it be fixed or are we going to not get full results from those counties (LAME)?

It's going to be a close race in Wayne County and for Undecided to break 40%.

I don't know if it's legal. I could see their results being thrown out if someone challenges them in court.
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« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2008, 12:37:57 AM »

Washtenaw's all in; Uncommitted won 46-44. Surprisingly close race in Kent County (Grand Rapids) as well, though it's all in and voted for Clinton.
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« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2008, 12:43:34 AM »

wow, Clinton lost two counties, Emmet and Washtenaw.

wow.

She may lose Wayne County, too, if the remaining 8% is from mostly black areas. (And there's always the chance one or both of the two sluggard counties went crazy the way Emmet did.)
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« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2008, 12:47:18 AM »

They say that they managed to fix it... in most of them... they think.

Democracy lives in America.

Mostly.

I think.

Three counties did not fix it: Houghton, Otsego and Wexford. Democracy is in ill health.
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« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2008, 12:52:45 AM »
« Edited: January 16, 2008, 12:55:13 AM by Verily »

Clare County made its belated appearance as well; strongly for Clinton. All that's left now are Kalkaska County and a handful of votes from Livingston County.

I'm still wondering what happened in Emmet County.
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