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« Reply #300 on: July 25, 2008, 05:02:22 PM »
I think Olmert needs to go, now.  My personal choice to replace him is either Benjamin Netanyahu or Tzipi Livni; I just hope election get called soon.
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« Reply #301 on: July 25, 2008, 05:05:36 PM »
Does anyone else agree with me that Israel is one of the worse places where straight PR could possibly be used? Just the luck of everyone involved that straight PR is used.
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« Reply #302 on: July 25, 2008, 06:39:36 PM »
I heard the Greenies might get 1-2 seats in the next election. They were very close last time IIRC.
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« Reply #303 on: July 26, 2008, 11:40:04 PM »
I hope Labor can pull something off here but I really doubt anything will happen...
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Kaine for Senate '18
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« Reply #304 on: August 02, 2008, 10:16:45 PM »
Quote from: Evilmexicandictator on July 26, 2008, 11:40:04 PM
I hope Labor can pull something off here but I really doubt anything will happen...

Depends on when the elections are held.  If they're put off for a while, Kadima might escape with only very minimal losses.
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« Reply #305 on: August 02, 2008, 10:19:17 PM »
Quote from: ޒަހަރު) زَهَـرْ) on July 25, 2008, 05:05:36 PM
Does anyone else agree with me that Israel is one of the worse places where straight PR could possibly be used? Just the luck of everyone involved that straight PR is used.

Just needs a higher threshold. 5% would at least keep the uber-loonies out.
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Kaine for Senate '18
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« Reply #306 on: August 02, 2008, 10:21:52 PM »
Quote from: Sometimes All It Takes Is To Know You Still Care on August 02, 2008, 10:19:17 PM
Quote from: ޒަހަރު) زَهَـرْ) on July 25, 2008, 05:05:36 PM
Does anyone else agree with me that Israel is one of the worse places where straight PR could possibly be used? Just the luck of everyone involved that straight PR is used.

Just needs a higher threshold. 5% would at least keep the uber-loonies out.

Yisrael Beiteinu got 9% in 2006.
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« Reply #307 on: August 02, 2008, 10:23:53 PM »
Quote from: Sometimes All It Takes Is To Know You Still Care on August 02, 2008, 10:19:17 PM
Quote from: ޒަހަރު) زَهَـرْ) on July 25, 2008, 05:05:36 PM
Does anyone else agree with me that Israel is one of the worse places where straight PR could possibly be used? Just the luck of everyone involved that straight PR is used.

Just needs a higher threshold. 5% would at least keep the uber-loonies out.

Regardless, it'd be better to use multi-member constituencies.
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« Reply #308 on: August 02, 2008, 10:26:50 PM »
Quote from: ޒަހަރު) زَهَـرْ) on August 02, 2008, 10:23:53 PM
Quote from: Sometimes All It Takes Is To Know You Still Care on August 02, 2008, 10:19:17 PM
Quote from: ޒަހަރު) زَهَـرْ) on July 25, 2008, 05:05:36 PM
Does anyone else agree with me that Israel is one of the worse places where straight PR could possibly be used? Just the luck of everyone involved that straight PR is used.

Just needs a higher threshold. 5% would at least keep the uber-loonies out.

Regardless, it'd be better to use multi-member constituencies.

What makes you think that?
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« Reply #309 on: August 02, 2008, 10:28:08 PM »
Quote from: Scoop Jackson Democrat on August 02, 2008, 10:26:50 PM
Quote from: ޒަހަރު) زَهَـرْ) on August 02, 2008, 10:23:53 PM
Quote from: Sometimes All It Takes Is To Know You Still Care on August 02, 2008, 10:19:17 PM
Quote from: ޒަހަރު) زَهَـرْ) on July 25, 2008, 05:05:36 PM
Does anyone else agree with me that Israel is one of the worse places where straight PR could possibly be used? Just the luck of everyone involved that straight PR is used.

Just needs a higher threshold. 5% would at least keep the uber-loonies out.

Regardless, it'd be better to use multi-member constituencies.

What makes you think that?

Straight PR means extremism. Especially when the parliament is sovereign, as it is in Israel.
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« Reply #310 on: August 02, 2008, 10:52:12 PM »
Quote from: ޒަހަރު) زَهَـرْ) on August 02, 2008, 10:28:08 PM
Quote from: Scoop Jackson Democrat on August 02, 2008, 10:26:50 PM
Quote from: ޒަހަރު) زَهَـرْ) on August 02, 2008, 10:23:53 PM
Quote from: Sometimes All It Takes Is To Know You Still Care on August 02, 2008, 10:19:17 PM
Quote from: ޒަހަރު) زَهَـرْ) on July 25, 2008, 05:05:36 PM
Does anyone else agree with me that Israel is one of the worse places where straight PR could possibly be used? Just the luck of everyone involved that straight PR is used.

Just needs a higher threshold. 5% would at least keep the uber-loonies out.

Regardless, it'd be better to use multi-member constituencies.

What makes you think that?

Straight PR means extremism. Especially when the parliament is sovereign, as it is in Israel.

How would you set up the constituencies?
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« Reply #311 on: August 02, 2008, 11:48:50 PM »
« Edited: August 02, 2008, 11:51:18 PM by useful idiot »
Even in multiple member constituencies extremists would get into the Knesset. Any constituency centered on Jerusalem or including the West Bank would be sending them. Even if they were population based districts, who would draw the districts up? Israeli politics is so fractured that almost nobody would agree.

As was said before, a higher threshold would be optimal. The smaller parties wouldn't like it but the bigger parties would only gain and so would have an incentive
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« Reply #312 on: August 03, 2008, 12:01:02 AM »
Quote from: Scoop Jackson Democrat on August 02, 2008, 10:52:12 PM
Quote from: ޒަހަރު) زَهَـرْ) on August 02, 2008, 10:28:08 PM
Quote from: Scoop Jackson Democrat on August 02, 2008, 10:26:50 PM
Quote from: ޒަހަރު) زَهَـرْ) on August 02, 2008, 10:23:53 PM
Quote from: Sometimes All It Takes Is To Know You Still Care on August 02, 2008, 10:19:17 PM
Quote from: ޒަހަރު) زَهَـرْ) on July 25, 2008, 05:05:36 PM
Does anyone else agree with me that Israel is one of the worse places where straight PR could possibly be used? Just the luck of everyone involved that straight PR is used.

Just needs a higher threshold. 5% would at least keep the uber-loonies out.

Regardless, it'd be better to use multi-member constituencies.

What makes you think that?

Straight PR means extremism. Especially when the parliament is sovereign, as it is in Israel.

How would you set up the constituencies?

Based on the administrative subdivisions they use there (I forget what they were called).
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« Reply #313 on: August 03, 2008, 12:23:34 AM »
Quote from: Sometimes All It Takes Is To Know You Still Care on August 02, 2008, 10:19:17 PM
Quote from: ޒަހަރު) زَهَـرْ) on July 25, 2008, 05:05:36 PM
Does anyone else agree with me that Israel is one of the worse places where straight PR could possibly be used? Just the luck of everyone involved that straight PR is used.

Just needs a higher threshold. 5% would at least keep the uber-loonies out.

We're in agreement.  The Israelis need to borrow a lesson from the Germans...it took a pre-existing party framework, a split in one of the large parties, and a large protest vote for the Left Party to become viable in Germany.  It should take fairly large disruptions to make important political parties.
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« Reply #314 on: August 19, 2008, 12:57:18 PM »
I'd support a higher threshold, but nothing else.
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« Reply #315 on: August 19, 2008, 01:20:25 PM »
Quote from: Virginia Democrat on August 19, 2008, 12:57:18 PM
I'd support a higher threshold, but nothing else.

And how Israel conducts elections is your business because....?
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« Reply #316 on: August 19, 2008, 01:36:18 PM »
Quote from: Arc-Lamps, Signal Flares, A Shower Of White (The Light) on August 19, 2008, 01:20:25 PM
Quote from: Virginia Democrat on August 19, 2008, 12:57:18 PM
I'd support a higher threshold, but nothing else.

And how Israel conducts elections is your business because....?

It isn't, but on the last page we were discussing various electoral methods for Israel, and this is what I'd support.
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« Reply #317 on: August 19, 2008, 02:54:40 PM »
Quote from: Arc-Lamps, Signal Flares, A Shower Of White (The Light) on August 19, 2008, 01:20:25 PM
Quote from: Virginia Democrat on August 19, 2008, 12:57:18 PM
I'd support a higher threshold, but nothing else.

And how Israel conducts elections is your business because....?

You could say that about this whole board.
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« Reply #318 on: August 30, 2008, 04:02:54 PM »
We're a little over two weeks from the election to replace Olmert; has anyone seen a poll, or something like that, to indicate who's likely to win?
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« Reply #319 on: August 30, 2008, 04:07:42 PM »
Quote from: Governor Ben Constine on August 30, 2008, 04:02:54 PM
We're a little over two weeks from the election to replace Olmert; has anyone seen a poll, or something like that, to indicate who's likely to win?

Tzipi Livni IIRC.
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« Reply #320 on: September 06, 2008, 07:32:20 PM »
11 days to go; anyone have any predictions other than Livni to replace Olmert?
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« Reply #321 on: September 06, 2008, 07:46:58 PM »
Quote from: Governor Ben Constine on September 06, 2008, 07:32:20 PM
11 days to go; anyone have any predictions other than Livni to replace Olmert?
With any luck a nuclear bomb
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« Reply #322 on: September 06, 2008, 08:11:36 PM »
If Obama wins do you think Israel may feel emboldened to unilaterally take on Iran on its own?
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« Reply #323 on: September 06, 2008, 08:14:42 PM »
Quote from: phknrocket1k on September 06, 2008, 08:11:36 PM
If Obama wins do you think Israel may feel emboldened to unilaterally take on Iran on its own?

No, I doubt it.
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« Reply #324 on: September 06, 2008, 08:28:54 PM »
Quote from: Governor Ben Constine on September 06, 2008, 07:32:20 PM
11 days to go; anyone have any predictions other than Livni to replace Olmert?

No.
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