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Albus Dumbledore
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« on: June 15, 2008, 03:52:01 PM »
Quote from: Fmr. Sen. DWTL on June 15, 2008, 01:05:37 PM
The answer is easy, stopping helping Israel and don't stop Iran from fighting them
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Albus Dumbledore
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« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2008, 09:39:19 AM »
Someday, God willing Palestine will be free.
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Albus Dumbledore
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« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2008, 01:00:09 PM »
Demographics are going to crush Israel under the wheels of history. The only question will be how bloody will the transition from zionist settler herrenvolk democracy to secular democracy(best cast scenario) or islamist state(worse case scenario) be.
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Albus Dumbledore
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« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2008, 01:10:29 PM »
Compare the birthrates of Israel and the palestinian territories. Differential birthrates in the long run mean demographic replacement.
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Albus Dumbledore
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« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2008, 01:15:27 PM »
You said it yourself. It's god who gave them the land and not the west so therefore, the US and the western powers have zero obligation to back Israel. Glad to see you're backing me up.
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Albus Dumbledore
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« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2008, 01:20:55 PM »
Quote from: jmfcst on June 26, 2008, 01:17:56 PM
Quote from: Sir Havelock Vetinari on June 26, 2008, 01:15:27 PM
You said it yourself. It's god who gave them the land and not the west so therefore, the US and the western powers have zero obligation to back Israel. Glad to see you're backing me up.

But the U.S. is sharing a role of dividing up the land.

I wish. Ideally it'd be US assisting Hamas in clearing out west jerusalem/the west bank from settlers while B-52 bombers destroyed Israeli military bases/infrastructure/nuke silos. Israel has a long history of aggression in the region, repression of the arab majority(counting all the palestinian refugees) and theocratic policies. Logically, in this new and enlightened post-cold war world of liberal humanitarian intervention we should have invaded Israel instead of Iraq.
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Albus Dumbledore
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« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2008, 02:07:25 PM »
Well. I won't shed a tear for Israel when it's gone.
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Albus Dumbledore
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« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2008, 08:41:30 PM »
Palestine is rightfully one nation from the river to the sea.
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Albus Dumbledore
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« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2008, 12:20:45 PM »
Rename this thread to Palestine thanks in advance.
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Albus Dumbledore
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« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2008, 09:07:07 AM »
The jewish settlers deserve anything that happens to them for their crimes. Just because white south africans were able to negotiate a non-bkoody end to apartheid doesn't mean the zionist settlers will.
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Albus Dumbledore
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« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2008, 01:33:21 PM »
The only crime of the Palestinians was being nonwhite on soil that whites wanted for their own.
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Albus Dumbledore
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« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2008, 01:46:03 PM »
IT was one of the smaller genocides of the 20th century so I honestly don't care about them. Having 6 million of your people killed doesn't entitle you to take lands from other people.
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Albus Dumbledore
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« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2008, 01:56:52 PM »
Germans are white and Palestinians not so the Palestinians have to suffer for German crimes. Sad isn't it?
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Albus Dumbledore
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« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2008, 02:21:34 PM »
You learn well, young padawan.
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Albus Dumbledore
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« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2008, 06:18:43 PM »
What? Is it trolling to note that despite the fact that they committed the holocaust, Germany didn't see any of it's land carved out for a jewish state while the arabs in Palestine lost their homeland to accomodate the fleeing jews? Before pro-Israel supporters call anti-Israeli people nazis or racists they should try to remember that fact.
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Albus Dumbledore
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« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2008, 06:55:47 PM »
I was saying that germans(who actually killed jews pre-1948) didn't lose any land to them but Arabs(who didn't) lost their land. I was basically making that point and saying that Israel supporters have no call to criticize people for 'racism'.
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Albus Dumbledore
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« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2008, 07:00:01 PM »
Do you even read my posts? I said that point you raised was the exact point I made.
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Albus Dumbledore
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« Reply #17 on: June 30, 2008, 08:04:47 PM »
Compare the holocaust to Mao or Stalin's mass killings in scale. See my point now?
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Albus Dumbledore
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« Reply #18 on: July 01, 2008, 12:35:48 AM »
The holocaust was horrible but it was small potatoes compared to some of the sh**t that happened in the 20th century.
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Albus Dumbledore
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« Reply #19 on: July 01, 2008, 01:24:53 PM »
There was none. Israelis equate killing 1 jew with killing 6 million.
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Albus Dumbledore
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« Reply #20 on: July 01, 2008, 08:25:55 PM »
How telling you can be rabidly pro-Israel and not be called a troll but as soon as you're strongly anti-Israel you get labeled as trolling. -_- *facepalm*
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Albus Dumbledore
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« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2008, 10:40:09 PM »
Quote from: sbane on July 01, 2008, 10:38:57 PM
There is a disconnect why Jews got their homeland in palestine even though the genocide against them was conducted in Europe. I understand it was written in the bible and that Jews did live there a millenia ago, but is that really enough? The true reason is that the palestinians were powerless to stop the Zionists and it was because they had no true representation in 1948. It was unfair what was done to the palestinians in 1948 and the Zionists were not entitled to a single square inch of land. In a fair world a part of Germany/Poland would have been carved out for a Jewish homeland, but this world is not fair is it?

This times 100. Carving out a jewish state in the Rhineland would have been perfectly acceptable to me(Germans did try to kill them all so they do need to pay for their crimes) but not one in Palestine.
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Albus Dumbledore
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« Reply #22 on: July 02, 2008, 07:47:40 AM »
Have you heard of a little something called de-nazification?
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Albus Dumbledore
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« Reply #23 on: July 02, 2008, 02:23:05 PM »
Quote from: dead0man on July 02, 2008, 07:51:17 AM
..and The Great War ended all future wars.
Weimar Era germany was unstable and lacked strong democratic institutions. Present day germany has democratic institutions. Not really comparable.
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Albus Dumbledore
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« Reply #24 on: July 02, 2008, 03:56:18 PM »
The lack of safeguards let the nazis get absolute power so..
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