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Harry
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« on: January 26, 2008, 03:25:02 PM »


from the politicalcompass


Why or why not?
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« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2008, 03:26:31 PM »

No. Political Compass has this delusional idea that the political center is somewhere pretty far to the libertarian left. American politics belongs marginally in the upper right, but when they place most or all of the major parties of every country in the authoritarian right, you do have to wonder.
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« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2008, 03:27:43 PM »

If that were true, I should be debating between John Edwards, Hillary Clinton, and Ron Paul.
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« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2008, 03:27:56 PM »

for the most part, yes.  perhaps a few minor disagreements.
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« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2008, 03:34:34 PM »

I take the test and come out farther left than Kucinich or Gravel.  If this chart is accurate, that is.  I dunno -- I think I'm probably even with Kucinich (sans UFO foolishness).
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« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2008, 03:35:00 PM »

If that were true, I should be debating between John Edwards, Hillary Clinton, and Ron Paul.

^^^^^^^^

There is no way I'd classify Obama or Edwards as "right of center."
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« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2008, 03:36:42 PM »

you're all forgetting, the center on the chart isn't the American center, it's the global center
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« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2008, 03:37:37 PM »

you're all forgetting, the center on the chart isn't the American center, it's the global center

So every single government in the EU is right of center, and the vast majority are more authoritarian than average? Right...

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« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2008, 03:40:19 PM »

The question's kind of meaningless, in that there's no objective way to define where the "political center" is.  You'll never be able to get any two people to agree on what is "centrist".  You can only talk about this in relative terms (X is more liberal than Y), or you can define the center based on the average political leanings of a particular group of people.  Say, by defining the average American as being at (0,0), or the average Canadian as being at (0,0), or whatever.
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« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2008, 03:41:24 PM »

I bring this up because this is one of the applications on facebook, and politically uninformed people take the test, and then are linked to this chart to help decide who to vote for.
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« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2008, 03:41:30 PM »

you're all forgetting, the center on the chart isn't the American center, it's the global center

So every single government in the EU is right of center, and the vast majority are more authoritarian than average? Right...

of course they are.  they all have market economies.
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« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2008, 03:42:18 PM »

you're all forgetting, the center on the chart isn't the American center, it's the global center

So every single government in the EU is right of center, and the vast majority are more authoritarian than average? Right...

of course they are.  they all have market economies.

*Snort*

So, any capitalism at all is right-wing? That doesn't strike me as representing the global center when there are about five countries in the world without market economies.
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« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2008, 03:44:24 PM »

Whether it's accurate it or (and it's not in the US context it's being used for according to Harry) the Political Compass itself is crap.
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« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2008, 03:44:45 PM »

mixed economies are inherently right-wing, yes.  the world has moved to the right over the pass hundred years.  the paradigm doesn't shift through time, only the components do.

and what Morden said is pretty much correct too.
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« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2008, 03:47:06 PM »

mixed economies are inherently right-wing, yes.  the world has moved to the right over the pass hundred years.  the paradigm doesn't shift through time, only the components do.

So, then, it does not reflect the global center, but rather the left-wing idealist's idea of what the global center looked like a hundred years ago. (And if you think the world economy is to the right of where it was in the Gilded Age, I have nothing else to say.)
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« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2008, 03:48:46 PM »

mixed economies are inherently right-wing, yes.  the world has moved to the right over the pass hundred years.  the paradigm doesn't shift through time, only the components do.

So, then, it does not reflect the global center, but rather the left-wing idealist's idea of what the global center looked like a hundred years ago. (And if you think the world economy is to the right of where it was in the Gilded Age, I have nothing else to say.)

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« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2008, 11:36:42 PM »

If that chart is true, I have more in common with Kucinich and Gravel than any other candidates... 
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« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2008, 06:48:19 AM »

mixed economies are inherently right-wing, yes.  the world has moved to the right over the pass hundred years.  the paradigm doesn't shift through time, only the components do.

and what Morden said is pretty much correct too.

Hmmm... No. Now if you said "the world has moved to the right over the past 30-40 years" you may have an arguement.

As for Chart, That depends on how one defines the "political centre".
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« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2008, 06:54:43 AM »

Any chart that calls Ron Paul an authoritarian is... not very good.

And if every single country on the planet is right-wing, then perhaps we need to redefine "center", since it seems to me that the center, by definition, should be located in, you know... the center.
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« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2008, 07:25:52 AM »

I always thought charts and scales in general were a very poor way to illustrate ideological differences.
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