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« Reply #25 on: January 28, 2008, 12:46:03 PM »

Jacob, Isaac, and Abraham are quite real.  They did not live to the age as given in Genesis,

you were around to witness the length of their lifespans?  wow, you must be really old

Abraham did not live to be 175, Isaac to 137, and Jacob at 147.

since you back your statements with nothing but your own opinion, I think I'll stick with the bible's own interpretation
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« Reply #26 on: January 28, 2008, 04:48:50 PM »

Oh, certainly the latter parts have some historical credibility.  (Though God slaying the Assyrian army in II Kings is a bit of a stretch).  We know that the Assyrians, Babylonians etc. came in waves that match the Biblical chronology pretty well, and we also know that there could have been a pretty good sized Hebrew empire in the 10th century BCE (though not the size Solomon's empire is described as).  But yes, the kingdoms of Israel and Judah, and respective falls of each, and return to the Land, is pretty credible, and some of the prophets (Nahum, I'm looking at you) are really great views of how the society of the period viewed its neighbors.  Ezekiel's rant about Tyre, Isaiah's statements to make no alliances with the Egyptians, etc.

Daniel and Esther are both historical fiction, and both are totally implausible.  I reread Daniel last night, and really found myself struck.  (Who the hell is this "Darius the Mede?")  On the other hand, I don't have any trouble believing Ezra and Nehemiah.
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« Reply #27 on: January 19, 2013, 05:07:05 PM »

can we have a "delete account" button please?
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« Reply #28 on: January 20, 2013, 12:26:52 AM »
« Edited: January 20, 2013, 12:37:14 AM by Ron Paul The Death Eater »

Jacob, Isaac, and Abraham are quite real.  They did not live to the age as given in Genesis,

you were around to witness the length of their lifespans?  wow, you must be really old

Abraham did not live to be 175, Isaac to 137, and Jacob at 147.

Why are you disbelieving your own text? Why are you not factoring miracles into your beliefs?
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« Reply #29 on: January 25, 2013, 07:46:45 PM »

Depends.  Is there anything in it that we have evidence of outside of the religious texts themselves? 
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« Reply #30 on: January 25, 2013, 09:01:09 PM »

Depends.  Is there anything in it that we have evidence of outside of the religious texts themselves? 

Yes.  The earliest is the Deir 'Alla inscription which indicates that Balaam, son of Beor, was indeed revered as a prophet among the Moabites as described in the book Numbers.  Altho the inscription has him being a prophet of the gods, not just of YHWH.  Numbers 22 to 24 makes more story sense if in the original tale, Balaam consulted with three gods instead of just one, but it was later revised since there could be no gods except YHWH.
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« Reply #31 on: January 25, 2013, 09:09:07 PM »

Depends.  Is there anything in it that we have evidence of outside of the religious texts themselves? 

Yes.  The earliest is the Deir 'Alla inscription which indicates that Balaam, son of Beor, was indeed revered as a prophet among the Moabites as described in the book Numbers.  Altho the inscription has him being a prophet of the gods, not just of YHWH.  Numbers 22 to 24 makes more story sense if in the original tale, Balaam consulted with three gods instead of just one, but it was later revised since there could be no gods except YHWH.

Fair enough.  Bible, this bone has been thrown.  We will meet again. 
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« Reply #32 on: January 27, 2013, 04:40:12 PM »

All of it.  And how is Genesis allegorical?  As an Adventist, most of my denomination teaches a literal six-day creation (creation is the subject of our current Sabbath school lesson.)  I don't necessarily agree with that, but I do believe in creation in general.
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« Reply #33 on: January 27, 2013, 05:41:10 PM »

All of it.  And how is Genesis allegorical?  As an Adventist, most of my denomination teaches a literal six-day creation (creation is the subject of our current Sabbath school lesson.)  I don't necessarily agree with that, but I do believe in creation in general.

The parts that are contrary to the scientific and historical method. Do you think the experts have got that wrong?
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« Reply #34 on: January 27, 2013, 05:53:47 PM »

If evolution is real, then how was The Flintstones made?
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« Reply #35 on: January 30, 2013, 01:39:13 AM »

All of it.
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« Reply #36 on: February 27, 2013, 06:06:56 AM »
« Edited: February 27, 2013, 06:09:46 AM by OC »

Certainly noahs ark and appocholypse and 80 year old woman having kids can be theory and resurrection. Only historical facts are literal.
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« Reply #37 on: February 27, 2013, 02:11:46 PM »

Certainly noahs ark and appocholypse and 80 year old woman having kids can be theory and resurrection. Only historical facts are literal.

Pangea can explain Noah's Ark.
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« Reply #38 on: February 27, 2013, 02:23:26 PM »

Certainly noahs ark and appocholypse and 80 year old woman having kids can be theory and resurrection. Only historical facts are literal.

Pangea can explain Noah's Ark.

What? No it can't.
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« Reply #39 on: February 27, 2013, 02:42:22 PM »

Certainly noahs ark and appocholypse and 80 year old woman having kids can be theory and resurrection. Only historical facts are literal.

Pangea can explain Noah's Ark.

First of all Pangaea began to separate about 200 million years ago, so you're some 199.9 million years out. The fact there was a supercontinent didn't mean there was more water in the form of oceans than there is today and there is not enough water or elements that can be fused to form water to adequately cover the planet in the stuff. In short it didn't happen. And of course the planet has 8.7million species; there wasn't the room for 17.4 million animals and all their food to float about on a big boat.
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« Reply #40 on: February 28, 2013, 09:06:11 PM »

I ment Pangea (or the Supercontinint idea in general) explains how all the animals managed to get there. Before the flood, rain had never happened, and that's part of why so few people believed him.

As for long lives, sin causes death, and the people that lived so long were servants of God who protected them from sin.
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« Reply #41 on: February 28, 2013, 10:46:00 PM »

I ment Pangea (or the Supercontinint idea in general) explains how all the animals managed to get there.

No it doesn't, because as has already been pointed out to you you're off by some 199.9 million years. Humans didn't even exist at the time of Pangea to build an ark in the first place.
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« Reply #42 on: February 28, 2013, 11:35:19 PM »

I ment Pangea (or the Supercontinint idea in general) explains how all the animals managed to get there.

No it doesn't, because as has already been pointed out to you you're off by some 199.9 million years. Humans didn't even exist at the time of Pangea to build an ark in the first place.

Which are you going to trust, some rocks or the word of Jehovah 1?
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