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« on: January 27, 2008, 03:27:59 PM »

Certainly the entire book of Genesis is allegorical, although certain parts (Joseph going into Egypt) can be taken as actually happening.  I think there is good evidence for the Exodus, and Leviticus and Numbers are mostly laws, so there's no dispute on that count.  Deuteronomy is mostly Moses's farewell address, so there no reason to dispute that book either.  Most of the Prophets can be taken as true, likewise with Kings and Chronicles.  Outside of the Torah, the only parts that are untrue are contained in sections of books (Samson, various miracles, etc.)  What do you think?
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« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2008, 03:33:38 PM »

I think that the Torah is a corrupted version of the word of Allah, so the only parts that can be taken as fact are those that are expressly corroborated in the Qur’ān, which is about a quarter based on my completely random guess.

How is the Torah a corrupted version, when it came first, by about 1,000-1,500 years?
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« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2008, 03:39:59 PM »

I think that the Torah is a corrupted version of the word of Allah, so the only parts that can be taken as fact are those that are expressly corroborated in the Qur’ān, which is about a quarter based on my completely random guess.

How is the Torah a corrupted version, when it came first, by about 1,000-1,500 years?

It was gradually changed from the word of Allah as revealed to Moses.

Okay, now I get it.
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« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2008, 03:42:34 PM »

How much of the Koran is original material?  By that, I mean it isn't a retelling of stuff found in the Hebrew Bible and Christian Bible?
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« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2008, 03:45:29 PM »

I think that the Torah is a corrupted version of the word of Allah, so the only parts that can be taken as fact are those that are expressly corroborated in the Qur’ān, which is about a quarter based on my completely random guess.

So, what is your faith's view on the people of the book?

Do we end up in hell (I can't remember what its called in Islam, something J-- but too close spelling wise to heaven for me to try and spell)? Temporary punishment? Permanent?  You can answer in another thread if you'd like

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Bullmoose-are you Jewish?
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« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2008, 03:56:42 PM »

You said "we" when referring to the People of the Book, who are Jews.
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« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2008, 03:59:39 PM »

Perhaps
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« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2008, 04:11:34 PM »

Judaism belives that everyone's soul will spend eternity with God, so no, there is no Heaven and Hell per se, because everyone spends eternity in a heaven like place.
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« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2008, 09:51:16 AM »

although certain parts (Joseph going into Egypt) can be taken as actually happening.

Well, how could Joseph be real but not his father (Jacob), his grandfather (Issac), or his great-grandfather (Abraham)?

Jacob, Isaac, and Abraham are quite real.  They did not live to the age as given in Genesis, but there certainly existed a man who started Judaism, and he did have a son, and a grandson, and so on and so forth.
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« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2008, 12:26:36 PM »

Jacob, Isaac, and Abraham are quite real.  They did not live to the age as given in Genesis,

you were around to witness the length of their lifespans?  wow, you must be really old

Abraham did not live to be 175, Isaac to 137, and Jacob at 147.
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