Freak Voter Turnouts...

[Gustaf]

Just saw that the voters of Wyoming turned out in droves for Nixon in 1972, all 105% of 'em! Does anyone know of more such weird examples? There is also Montana in 2000, where the % of registered voters voting was 59%, and the % of VAP voting was 61%, meaning that the number of registered voters was slightly higher than the number of residents with the right to vote!

Anyone know anout more such examples?

[12th Doctor]

Just saw that the voters of Wyoming turned out in droves for Nixon in 1972, all 105% of 'em! Does anyone know of more such weird examples? There is also Montana in 2000, where the % of registered voters voting was 59%, and the % of VAP voting was 61%, meaning that the number of registered voters was slightly higher than the number of residents with the right to vote!

Anyone know anout more such examples?

Texas in '60.  The Democrats had the Damn cattle voting, I swear.

[Gustaf]

Just saw that the voters of Wyoming turned out in droves for Nixon in 1972, all 105% of 'em! Does anyone know of more such weird examples? There is also Montana in 2000, where the % of registered voters voting was 59%, and the % of VAP voting was 61%, meaning that the number of registered voters was slightly higher than the number of residents with the right to vote!

Anyone know anout more such examples?

Texas in '60.  The Democrats had the Damn cattle voting, I swear.

In that same election, the Reps had a very successful GOTV effort going, getting a 106% of registered voters in Indiana out to the polls, and a whopping 117% (!) in Ohio.

[12th Doctor]

Just saw that the voters of Wyoming turned out in droves for Nixon in 1972, all 105% of 'em! Does anyone know of more such weird examples? There is also Montana in 2000, where the % of registered voters voting was 59%, and the % of VAP voting was 61%, meaning that the number of registered voters was slightly higher than the number of residents with the right to vote!

Anyone know anout more such examples?

Texas in '60.  The Democrats had the Damn cattle voting, I swear.

In that same election, the Reps had a very successful GOTV effort going, getting a 106% of registered voters in Indiana out to the polls, and a whopping 117% (!) in Ohio.

Acctually though, the freakishly high voter turns out occured in largely Democrat disterics.  That isn't partisanship on my part, that is a fact, you can look it up.  Nixon considered challenging the results the night of the election but decided not to.  Some area in Texas, IL, Ohio and NJ had 150% voter turnout!

[Gustaf]

Just saw that the voters of Wyoming turned out in droves for Nixon in 1972, all 105% of 'em! Does anyone know of more such weird examples? There is also Montana in 2000, where the % of registered voters voting was 59%, and the % of VAP voting was 61%, meaning that the number of registered voters was slightly higher than the number of residents with the right to vote!

Anyone know anout more such examples?

Texas in '60.  The Democrats had the Damn cattle voting, I swear.

In that same election, the Reps had a very successful GOTV effort going, getting a 106% of registered voters in Indiana out to the polls, and a whopping 117% (!) in Ohio.

Acctually though, the freakishly high voter turns out occured in largely Democrat disterics.  That isn't partisanship on my part, that is a fact, you can look it up.  Nixon considered challenging the results the night of the election but decided not to.  Some area in Texas, IL, Ohio and NJ had 150% voter turnout!

OK, I believe you, I was just looking at state totals, and these were the ones exceeding 100%. I was assuming it was GOP since they won them, and both Indiana and Ohio have been GOP leaning in those days.

[Dave from Michigan]

Where do you find this information at

[12th Doctor]

Where do you find this information at

That's another several source one.  The History Channel has done several shows that include that info.  There are books out about the election.  And it is generally acctepted that Nixon would have had a legit case if he had decided to challenge it.  If you looked it up, you could find it, I'm too busy to look it up at the moment.

[Dave from Michigan]

OK thanks

[NHPolitico]

Where do you find this information at

That's another several source one.  The History Channel has done several shows that include that info.  There are books out about the election.  And it is generally acctepted that Nixon would have had a legit case if he had decided to challenge it.  If you looked it up, you could find it, I'm too busy to look it up at the moment.

Nixon played it just right. He did win later as he thought he would and he won re-election-- and he became president basicly after Vietnam, a much better time to be president. Without Watergate, Nixon would have been a towering figure in GOP politics and national politics.

[Platypus]

So both the Republicans (2000) and the Democrats (1960) have cheated at least once, maybe more.

And we call ourselves a democracy :rolleyes:

(And to those who say the Republicans didn't cheat in 2000-ARMY BALLOTS. Absolutely unavoidably cheating, as was much else.)

[12th Doctor]

So both the Republicans (2000) and the Democrats (1960) have cheated at least once, maybe more.

And we call ourselves a democracy :rolleyes:

(And to those who say the Republicans didn't cheat in 2000-ARMY BALLOTS. Absolutely unavoidably cheating, as was much else.)

Tell me exactly how the Republican's cheated.  Tell, me exactly.  I really want to hear this.

[12th Doctor]

:mad:

So.  Did you know that they continued to count ballots after the election and reported in June of 2001 that using the guide lines that Gore wanted, Bush's margin would acctually have gone up to something like 1,500?  Bush won fair and square.

If you want a good example of cheating, look at what the Dems did during the New Jersey Senate race of '02.

[Platypus]

What about the electoral rolls?

Or the approx. 600 votes (using the rule that about 9/10 ex-prisoners vote Democrat) that were excluded because former felons in states that automatically restore right after prison (like NY)who had moved to Florida weren't allowed to vote b/c ex-felons in FL aren't allowed to, if they were imprisoned IN FLORIDA?

[12th Doctor]

What about the electoral rolls?

Or the approx. 600 votes (using the rule that about 9/10 ex-prisoners vote Democrat) that were excluded because former felons in states that automatically restore right after prison (like NY)who had moved to Florida weren't allowed to vote b/c ex-felons in FL aren't allowed to, if they were imprisoned IN FLORIDA?

Once again, so.  Prisoners shouldn't be allowed to vote.  And they should go by the laws of the state that they are in.

[12th Doctor]

What about the electoral rolls?

Or the approx. 600 votes (using the rule that about 9/10 ex-prisoners vote Democrat) that were excluded because former felons in states that automatically restore right after prison (like NY)who had moved to Florida weren't allowed to vote b/c ex-felons in FL aren't allowed to, if they were imprisoned IN FLORIDA?

Once again, so.  Prisoners shouldn't be allowed to vote.  And they should go by the laws of the state that they are in.

I meant to say ex-felons.

[Platypus]

The law in florida is that ex-felons who were incarcerated in Florida are not allowed to vote.

If they wre incarcerated in states like NY, then they have a right to vote according to the law of NY, and the law of FL doesn't exclude them.

(Maybe they have changed the law since though, I wouldn't be surprised)

Also, ommitting names from the list is shocking. I remember a case where Johnny ABC Jr. was excluded because John M. ABC was an ex-felon. No relation, differentr middle names, first names, and a suffix on one, yet they were considered the same person...how is that fair?

Also, they have incarceration dates on some people as in the future, and a huge percentage were just missing entirely (meaning there was no actual proof that they were ever incarcerated)

[Gustaf]

The last time the 1960 election was discussed, the conclusion was reahced that both sides cheated a lot, and in the end it probably evened out.

[12th Doctor]

The law in florida is that ex-felons who were incarcerated in Florida are not allowed to vote.

If they wre incarcerated in states like NY, then they have a right to vote according to the law of NY, and the law of FL doesn't exclude them.

(Maybe they have changed the law since though, I wouldn't be surprised)

Also, ommitting names from the list is shocking. I remember a case where Johnny ABC Jr. was excluded because John M. ABC was an ex-felon. No relation, differentr middle names, first names, and a suffix on one, yet they were considered the same person...how is that fair?

Also, they have incarceration dates on some people as in the future, and a huge percentage were just missing entirely (meaning there was no actual proof that they were ever incarcerated)

Okay, here's one for you.  This should have been a big event, but it was over shaddowed by Florida:

Here in PA, we have a motor voter registration.  The day of the election, it was discovered 'mysteriously' that the motor voter registrations had 'disappeared'.  This disscounted some 300,000 voters.  Why is this big news?  Because most people who lost their RIGHT TO VOTE were Republicans.  Most people who register on the Motor-voter system are between the ages of 18 & 35.  This is the ONLY demographic in PA that voted mostly Republican by about 60%-40%.  Yet this got very little attention because of Florida and because they never were able to figure-out who was responsible.

[12th Doctor]

The law in florida is that ex-felons who were incarcerated in Florida are not allowed to vote.

If they wre incarcerated in states like NY, then they have a right to vote according to the law of NY, and the law of FL doesn't exclude them.

(Maybe they have changed the law since though, I wouldn't be surprised)

Also, ommitting names from the list is shocking. I remember a case where Johnny ABC Jr. was excluded because John M. ABC was an ex-felon. No relation, differentr middle names, first names, and a suffix on one, yet they were considered the same person...how is that fair?

Also, they have incarceration dates on some people as in the future, and a huge percentage were just missing entirely (meaning there was no actual proof that they were ever incarcerated)

Okay, here's one for you.  This should have been a big event, but it was over shaddowed by Florida:

Here in PA, we have a motor voter registration.  The day of the election, it was discovered 'mysteriously' that the motor voter registrations had 'disappeared'.  This disscounted some 300,000 voters.  Why is this big news?  Because most people who lost their RIGHT TO VOTE were Republicans.  Most people who register on the Motor-voter system are between the ages of 18 & 35.  This is the ONLY demographic in PA that voted mostly Republican by about 60%-40%.  Yet this got very little attention because of Florida and because they never were able to figure-out who was responsible.

And as for Florida, if the networks hadn't called Florida before the polls closed in the panhandle, this would all be a moot-issue.

[12th Doctor]

The law in florida is that ex-felons who were incarcerated in Florida are not allowed to vote.

If they wre incarcerated in states like NY, then they have a right to vote according to the law of NY, and the law of FL doesn't exclude them.

(Maybe they have changed the law since though, I wouldn't be surprised)

Also, ommitting names from the list is shocking. I remember a case where Johnny ABC Jr. was excluded because John M. ABC was an ex-felon. No relation, differentr middle names, first names, and a suffix on one, yet they were considered the same person...how is that fair?

Also, they have incarceration dates on some people as in the future, and a huge percentage were just missing entirely (meaning there was no actual proof that they were ever incarcerated)

Okay, here's one for you.  This should have been a big event, but it was over shaddowed by Florida:

Here in PA, we have a motor voter registration.  The day of the election, it was discovered 'mysteriously' that the motor voter registrations had 'disappeared'.  This disscounted some 300,000 voters.  Why is this big news?  Because most people who lost their RIGHT TO VOTE were Republicans.  Most people who register on the Motor-voter system are between the ages of 18 & 35.  This is the ONLY demographic in PA that voted mostly Republican by about 60%-40%.  Yet this got very little attention because of Florida and because they never were able to figure-out who was responsible.

And as for Florida, if the networks hadn't called Florida before the polls closed in the panhandle, this would all be a moot-issue.

And on top of that, Bush probably would have won in Wisconsin if you didn't have some college students up there voting for Gore 35 times.

[Gustaf]

The law in florida is that ex-felons who were incarcerated in Florida are not allowed to vote.

If they wre incarcerated in states like NY, then they have a right to vote according to the law of NY, and the law of FL doesn't exclude them.

(Maybe they have changed the law since though, I wouldn't be surprised)

Also, ommitting names from the list is shocking. I remember a case where Johnny ABC Jr. was excluded because John M. ABC was an ex-felon. No relation, differentr middle names, first names, and a suffix on one, yet they were considered the same person...how is that fair?

Also, they have incarceration dates on some people as in the future, and a huge percentage were just missing entirely (meaning there was no actual proof that they were ever incarcerated)

Okay, here's one for you.  This should have been a big event, but it was over shaddowed by Florida:

Here in PA, we have a motor voter registration.  The day of the election, it was discovered 'mysteriously' that the motor voter registrations had 'disappeared'.  This disscounted some 300,000 voters.  Why is this big news?  Because most people who lost their RIGHT TO VOTE were Republicans.  Most people who register on the Motor-voter system are between the ages of 18 & 35.  This is the ONLY demographic in PA that voted mostly Republican by about 60%-40%.  Yet this got very little attention because of Florida and because they never were able to figure-out who was responsible.

Gore won PA by a margin of 200 000 votes, 60%-40%=20%, 0.20*300 000=60 000, not nearly enough to swing the state. There was probably some cheating going on with both sides, the best guess is that it evened out some overall.

[12th Doctor]

The law in florida is that ex-felons who were incarcerated in Florida are not allowed to vote.

If they wre incarcerated in states like NY, then they have a right to vote according to the law of NY, and the law of FL doesn't exclude them.

(Maybe they have changed the law since though, I wouldn't be surprised)

Also, ommitting names from the list is shocking. I remember a case where Johnny ABC Jr. was excluded because John M. ABC was an ex-felon. No relation, differentr middle names, first names, and a suffix on one, yet they were considered the same person...how is that fair?

Also, they have incarceration dates on some people as in the future, and a huge percentage were just missing entirely (meaning there was no actual proof that they were ever incarcerated)

Okay, here's one for you.  This should have been a big event, but it was over shaddowed by Florida:

Here in PA, we have a motor voter registration.  The day of the election, it was discovered 'mysteriously' that the motor voter registrations had 'disappeared'.  This disscounted some 300,000 voters.  Why is this big news?  Because most people who lost their RIGHT TO VOTE were Republicans.  Most people who register on the Motor-voter system are between the ages of 18 & 35.  This is the ONLY demographic in PA that voted mostly Republican by about 60%-40%.  Yet this got very little attention because of Florida and because they never were able to figure-out who was responsible.

Gore won PA by a margin of 200 000 votes, 60%-40%=20%, 0.20*300 000=60 000, not nearly enough to swing the state. There was probably some cheating going on with both sides, the best guess is that it evened out some overall.

Your right, it wouldn't have been enough to turn the sate, but it was very convienient for the Dems, especially in an stste that was so close.

[12th Doctor]

The law in florida is that ex-felons who were incarcerated in Florida are not allowed to vote.

If they wre incarcerated in states like NY, then they have a right to vote according to the law of NY, and the law of FL doesn't exclude them.

(Maybe they have changed the law since though, I wouldn't be surprised)

Also, ommitting names from the list is shocking. I remember a case where Johnny ABC Jr. was excluded because John M. ABC was an ex-felon. No relation, differentr middle names, first names, and a suffix on one, yet they were considered the same person...how is that fair?

Also, they have incarceration dates on some people as in the future, and a huge percentage were just missing entirely (meaning there was no actual proof that they were ever incarcerated)

Okay, here's one for you.  This should have been a big event, but it was over shaddowed by Florida:

Here in PA, we have a motor voter registration.  The day of the election, it was discovered 'mysteriously' that the motor voter registrations had 'disappeared'.  This disscounted some 300,000 voters.  Why is this big news?  Because most people who lost their RIGHT TO VOTE were Republicans.  Most people who register on the Motor-voter system are between the ages of 18 & 35.  This is the ONLY demographic in PA that voted mostly Republican by about 60%-40%.  Yet this got very little attention because of Florida and because they never were able to figure-out who was responsible.

Gore won PA by a margin of 200 000 votes, 60%-40%=20%, 0.20*300 000=60 000, not nearly enough to swing the state. There was probably some cheating going on with both sides, the best guess is that it evened out some overall.

Your right, it wouldn't have been enough to turn the sate, but it was very convienient for the Dems, especially in an stste that was so close.

You also had Jesse Jackson raiding the gettos of Philadelphia finding people who hadn't voted and telling them, and this was from a news report, that "George W. Bush is the most racist candidate since Wallace and if he win, it will be just like the 1950's again".  He was literally throwing people in cars to speed them to the polls before the closed at 8pm.  And then he was out until 9PM sending people ot the polls hoping to sew for an injunction to keep the polls open an extra hour like they did in Missouri, ooops I mean just St. Louis.

[© Tweed the Younger]

Wyoming always gets huge turnouts.

[ilikeverin]

I submitted some of these as an error...