Bush: "Obama would attack Pakistan, Embrace Amadinejad."

[exopolitician]

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Pretty sure this is the first time I think ive ever heard Bush speak about not only a Democratic Candidate, but the Democratic Race itself. This coming after he told reporters McCain is "conservative enough".

[Gabu]

This ought to help Obama.

[John Dibble]

I think this confirms who the Republicans would rather not face in November.

[minionofmidas]

That would certainly be a wiser course of action than the other way round. Though not a wise course of action.

[Gustaf]

That would certainly be a wiser course of action than the other way round. Though not a wise course of action.

You think Amadinejad is a more dangerous person to attack than the entire nation of Pakistan?

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

I don't think he'll attack Pakistan and I doubt he'll embrace the Iranians but he will open a dialogue with them.

[elcorazon]

I can't fathom why anyone would possibly give a sh**t about Bush's view on anything relating to the election.

[perdedor]

I don't think that President Bush is in much of a position to be predicting bad foreign policy decisions on the part of candidates for president.

That said, it's unlikely that Obama would plunge our military into another war. It would be a horrendously stupid thing to do and seeing as how Obama has a fully functional mind, I can't seem him doing so. I also doubt that he would work to become Iran's strongest ally on the global stage. Then again, if you're a neocon, talking to your enemies would obviously imply that as your main goal.

[Inmate Trump]

That said, it's unlikely that Obama would plunge our military into another war. It would be a horrendously stupid thing to do...

If he did, I seriously doubt anyone would object.  Everyone loves the guy.  If he were to "pull an Iraq" so to speak, I think he'd be painted as a great war president by the media and his approval ratings would skyrocket and remain so for as long as we were in said war.

And in all honesty, nobody even knows what he'd do.  There's no prior history to show for him.  For that matter, can anyone explain to me why they even like Obama, excluding anything at all having to do with being "inspirational?"  How well he speaks is irrelevant to how well positioned he is to bring about real, actual change and results; so far he hasn't proven he's able to do so.  I vote on who has the best views on the issues, and the most experience to carry those views forward; not on who delivers the greatest speech, which is, I fear, the main reason most of America--especially younger voters--are supporting the guy:  he sounds great, so he must be great. 

[perdedor]

That said, it's unlikely that Obama would plunge our military into another war. It would be a horrendously stupid thing to do...

If he did, I seriously doubt anyone would object.  Everyone loves the guy.  If he were to "pull an Iraq" so to speak, I think he'd be painted as a great war president by the media and his approval ratings would skyrocket and remain so for as long as we were in said war.

And in all honesty, nobody even knows what he'd do.  There's no prior history to show for him.  For that matter, can anyone explain to me why they even like Obama, excluding anything at all having to do with being "inspirational?"  How well he speaks is irrelevant to how well positioned he is to bring about real, actual change and results; so far he hasn't proven he's able to do so.  I vote on who has the best views on the issues, and the most experience to carry those views forward; not on who delivers the greatest speech, which is, I fear, the main reason most of America--especially younger voters--are supporting the guy:  he sounds great, so he must be great. 

While I could plunge into an agry tirade as to why inspiration and words matter to the well being of a functioning society. I'll spare the both of us, I'm much too tired at this time of the morning. Instead, I'll just point out a few things:

- Clinton, who is supposed to be the queen of the universal health care, has accepted over 850,000$ in donantions from the health industry. I also dislike the fact that her health care plan mandates coverage. It's impractical to enforce and sounds like something an authoritarian socialist would manifest to solve the health care crisis. Obama's plan is not only far more feasible, but is also founded on the integrity of not having been manipulated by the health industry.

- I do not trust Clinton to work to bring the war to an end in a timely manner. Whether or not she has been genuinely fooled by George W. Bush, she has still consistently voted to give the president a  blank check for his imperialist actions in Iraq. To believe that she is truly committed to ending the Iraq war would require the willing suspention of disbelief. Obama, having been right on the Iraq conquest from the beginning, could be more so trusted to work to bring about an end to war.

- Obama has not taken any PAC or special interest money. It would be nice to have a president who wasn't an investment for the corporations and money shakers.

With all of that said, what's an issue that Clinton has tackled in great detail that Obama hasn't? If there is one, I would like to know. Clinton isn't the brilliant policy wonk that you seem to think she is, nor is Obama the clueless dolt that you seem to think he is.

[Nutmeg]

Every time I come close to thinking that Bush-hating is passe...

[MODU]

I don't think that President Bush is in much of a position to be predicting bad foreign policy decisions on the part of candidates for president.

He's not predicting.  He's just restating what Obama has said on the campaign trail (which goes to show that Bush is paying more attention to the race than he admits).

[TheresNoMoney]

Any Bush attack on Obama is only going to help Obama. I really hope Bush involves himself heavily in the 2008 presidential race and attaches himself to McCain's hip.

[Ben.]

 What George says as far as foreign policy goes is irrelevant... he's a deeply unpopular incumbent who's credibility (especially on foreign affairs) has been shot to pieces.

Having said that, he is still the President of the United States and the effective leader of the GOP, so his remarks are worth noting…

What it does suggest is that Bush (and perhaps more importantly the folks aligned with him within the GOP) would be uncomfortable with Obama as a president.

Furthermore it suggests that the narrative the GOP would likely adopt in a race against Obama as being a very similar ‘experience vs inexperience’, ‘risk vs certainty’ to that adopted by Clinton.



The remark also underlines the total intellectual exhaustion on the right and the political collapse of the GOP… which (when combined) make ’08 a very tough cycle for the Republicans.

The problem for the United States as a whole is that while the Democrats are politically ascendant, their seems little in the way of intellectual power behind that ascendancy (in the way in which there was behind the GOP in 1980 or 1994 or the Dems in 1932 or 1964), instead they are benefiting from the GOP’s woes rather than their own strengths.  

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

Bush speaks the truth. I certainly don't know where Obama stands on many issues, and friends who work on his campaign can't tell me either. They say "go to his website."

The fact that we may elect this man as President because he can rile people up with a speech is frightening.

[phk]

I don't think he'll attack Pakistan

So hes a flip flopper?

Main reason why I don't like Obama is because of his "invade Pakistan" comments he made awhile back.

[Bacon King]

If he did, I seriously doubt anyone would object.  Everyone loves the guy.  If he were to "pull an Iraq" so to speak, I think he'd be painted as a great war president by the media and his approval ratings would skyrocket and remain so for as long as we were in said war.

Well, I can only speak for myself, but I'm opposed to pretty much any concievable war.

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Clay, why have you been so vile lately? Its almost as if you've transcended opposition and are now into petty hatred. I, just like you, support the candidate who I believe has the best views on the issues. Can you please understand that? Last autumn, I read Obama's book Audacity of Hope and I was suprised that I agreed with nearly everything he said. He also has a record of being a strong leader, even if he doesn't have the Washington insider experience (which is more a bad thing anyway, IMO). I support Obama due to his political beliefs. And, quite honestly, I think it's pretty low of you to assume that Obama's supporters don't know what their candidate stands for.

I don't think he'll attack Pakistan

So hes a flip flopper?

Main reason why I don't like Obama is because of his "invade Pakistan" comments he made awhile back.

Just to clarify, here: Obama never said he was going to attack Pakistan. He said attack Al Qaeda compounds within Pakistan as a last resort if the Pakistani government became completely uncooperative with efforts against Al Qaeda.

[MODU]

Just to clarify, here: Obama never said he was going to attack Pakistan. He said attack Al Qaeda compounds within Pakistan as a last resort if the Pakistani government became completely uncooperative with efforts against Al Qaeda.

He said he would cross the borders to attack al Qaeda without Pakistani approval, and that action would be considered an act of war against the country of Pakistan itself.  (If you want to get technical.)

[Bacon King]

Just to clarify, here: Obama never said he was going to attack Pakistan. He said attack Al Qaeda compounds within Pakistan as a last resort if the Pakistani government became completely uncooperative with efforts against Al Qaeda.

He said he would cross the borders to attack al Qaeda without Pakistani approval, and that action would be considered an act of war against the country of Pakistan itself.  (If you want to get technical.)

Yes, true. But it's only a pretty unlikely hypothetical, anyway.

[MODU]

Yes, true. But it's only a pretty unlikely hypothetical, anyway.

Very, yet he did say it, and in an election cycle (and as President), every single thing you say will be disected and spun in a million ways.

[Flying Dog]

Yes, true. But it's only a pretty unlikely hypothetical, anyway.

Very, yet he did say it, and in an election cycle (and as President), every single thing you say will be disected and spun in a million ways.

I would think you, MODU, out of all people would approve of this hypothetical.

[Gabu]

I certainly don't know where Obama stands on many issues, and friends who work on his campaign can't tell me either. They say "go to his website."

So did you go to his website?

[Gustaf]

I certainly don't know where Obama stands on many issues, and friends who work on his campaign can't tell me either. They say "go to his website."

So did you go to his website?

I actually did go to his website a couple of months ago to find out where he stands. But I can't say that it told me all that much.

[MODU]

Yes, true. But it's only a pretty unlikely hypothetical, anyway.

Very, yet he did say it, and in an election cycle (and as President), every single thing you say will be disected and spun in a million ways.

I would think you, MODU, out of all people would approve of this hypothetical.

Why?  We have no need to invade Pakistan.  What we do need though is permission to do joint strikes with the Pakistani military along the borders, and hopefully Gen. Kayani will approve of the joint strikes if/when he replaces Musharraf.

[Flying Dog]

Yes, true. But it's only a pretty unlikely hypothetical, anyway.

Very, yet he did say it, and in an election cycle (and as President), every single thing you say will be disected and spun in a million ways.

I would think you, MODU, out of all people would approve of this hypothetical.

Why?  We have no need to invade Pakistan.  What we do need though is permission to do joint strikes with the Pakistani military along the borders, and hopefully Gen. Kayani will approve of the joint strikes if/when he replaces Musharraf.

Well, maybe if it came out of Bush's mouth you would have.