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Redefeatbush04
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« on: November 25, 2004, 12:50:18 PM »

Americans are too stupid for approval voting. Remember BRTD's brother who voted for Peroutka because he was neither Bush nor Kerry, only to find out later what Peroutka stood for. We would have a president Peroutka. DO YOU REALLY WANT A PRESIDENT PEROUTKA? It is a good idea, but we are not ready for it.
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Redefeatbush04
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« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2004, 01:20:11 PM »

Americans are too stupid for approval voting. Remember BRTD's brother who voted for Peroutka because he was neither Bush nor Kerry, only to find out later what Peroutka stood for. We would have a president Peroutka. DO YOU REALLY WANT A PRESIDENT PEROUTKA? It is a good idea, but we are not ready for it.

The majority of people aren't going to vote for Peroutka because his name sounds cool.

You overestimate the American people, or at least those with 1/5 acre of land.
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Redefeatbush04
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« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2004, 01:27:28 PM »

Do you seriously think approval voting would get Peroutka elected?

Do you seriously think people who live in cities (apartments/no land) should not be allowed to vote?
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Redefeatbush04
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« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2004, 03:12:23 PM »

Do you seriously think approval voting would get Peroutka elected?

I think it will lead to much controversy. For example lets pretend the race is between Kerry, Bush, and this dude named Hitler. Let's also pretend no one has ever heard of Hitler. Everyone hates Kerry and Bush so they both end up negative, or if it is simply a question of "do you approve" they end up with maybe 35% approval. No one has heard of Hitler, but a good 36% of the population decide to approve him out of ignorance........ Hitler is now our president.

In one chamber of state legislatures? Of course. Otherwise the legislature is just a tool for them to vote themselves welfare.

Everyone will vote to benefit themselves. The rich will vote for candidates that benefit the rich, and the poor will vote for candidates that benefit the poor.
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Redefeatbush04
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« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2004, 03:22:13 PM »
« Edited: November 25, 2004, 03:29:21 PM by Redefeatbush04 »

By that logic, we should already have Peroutka as president. If the majority of the people hate both candidates, why didn't they vote for Peroutka?

Many Kerry/Bush supporters didn't actually approve of their candidate, they just didn't want the other guy to win. It is all about wording. Their was a study done (no i am too lazy to find the source) which found that the candidate whose name was placed first had the advantage. Something as stupid as that can change someones vote. Another issue is who gets on the ballot in which states. If it were just national popular vote, instead of the electoral college, approval voting would make more sense. As I said earlier, it is a good idea, but we are not ready for it.

The Constitution should see to it that no group of people is oppressed.

Even those who don't own 1/5 acre of land?
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Redefeatbush04
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« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2004, 12:07:23 PM »

I do however like the kind of voting we often use on this forum.....where we rank the candidates.
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Redefeatbush04
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« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2004, 03:38:45 PM »

I'm for approval voting. To those who think it would allow someone like Peroutka to get elected, it is doubtful. Proportional representation is far more likely to do that(guess how the Nazis got into power).

Approval voting would encourage the media to cover other candidates, so people like Peroutka would be exposed for what they are - extremists. Most conservatives would not vote for him simply because he would be too extreme. You can bet your ass liberals wouldn't vote for him, and libertarians wouldn't be very likely to either. Swing voters would also be scared off in all likeliness, as well as almost all non-christians and homosexuals - the guy probably couldn't get elected president under any decent voting system.

There's a link to a site that explains more about the benefits(and a few drawbacks) of approval voting in my signature. Check it out.

Good point Dibble
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