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Joe Biden 2020
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« on: February 12, 2008, 03:06:50 PM »
« edited: February 12, 2008, 03:21:33 PM by Will Rogers »
Let's go!!
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« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2008, 03:09:15 PM »
Quote from: Lt. Governor Warner for Senate '08 on February 12, 2008, 03:08:31 PM
Quote from: Keystone Phil on February 12, 2008, 03:07:39 PM
Word is that turnout is very heavy in NOVA and in Richmond which is obviously bad news for Hillary.

You have no idea.  Since 7:30 this morning, my polling place has been packed.  This is bad news for Clinton, and great news for Obama.

Which means... Its good news!!!
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« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2008, 03:13:39 PM »
Quote from: Lt. Governor Warner for Senate '08 on February 12, 2008, 03:10:08 PM
Quote from: Will Rogers on February 12, 2008, 03:09:15 PM
Quote from: Lt. Governor Warner for Senate '08 on February 12, 2008, 03:08:31 PM
Quote from: Keystone Phil on February 12, 2008, 03:07:39 PM
Word is that turnout is very heavy in NOVA and in Richmond which is obviously bad news for Hillary.

You have no idea.  Since 7:30 this morning, my polling place has been packed.  This is bad news for Clinton, and great news for Obama.

Which means... Its good news!!!

For you, maybe Tongue

To be honest, I wouldn't mind either one.  I voted for Obama last Tuesday, but I'd be happy with either of them.  I also I wouldn't mind John McCain that much, though I'd prefer the Democratic nominee.
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Joe Biden 2020
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« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2008, 03:14:51 PM »
Quote from: Will Rogers on February 12, 2008, 03:09:15 PM
Quote from: Lt. Governor Warner for Senate '08 on February 12, 2008, 03:08:31 PM
Quote from: Keystone Phil on February 12, 2008, 03:07:39 PM
Word is that turnout is very heavy in NOVA and in Richmond which is obviously bad news for Hillary.

You have no idea.  Since 7:30 this morning, my polling place has been packed.  This is bad news for Clinton, and great news for Obama.

Which means... Its good news!!!

Oh, you want Obama this week?
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I've been on Obama's side the past month!!!
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« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2008, 03:16:59 PM »
Quote from: meekermariner on February 12, 2008, 03:16:02 PM
I demand this be change to "Potomac Primary"

They're the same thing Tongue
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« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2008, 03:21:00 PM »
Quote from: Verily on February 12, 2008, 03:19:03 PM

Richmond, Baltimore, etc., are nowhere near the Beltway.

Close enough.  I've heard it interchangeably as the Beltway Primary and the Potomac Primary.
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« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2008, 03:22:55 PM »

Thats true.
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« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2008, 04:23:23 PM »
« Edited: February 12, 2008, 04:36:24 PM by Will Rogers »
Here is the CNN delegate count going into tonight.

Hillary Clinton -- 1,157 (923 pledged)

Barack Obama -- 1,145 (989 pledged)

Here is FOX News delegate count going into tonight.

Hillary Clinton -- 1,147

Barack Obama -- 1,124


Here is MSNBC's delegate count going into tonight.

Hillary Clinton -- 904

Barack Obama -- 958
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« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2008, 05:32:20 PM »
Quote from: Eraserhead on February 12, 2008, 05:25:53 PM
I assume Hillary won't give a concession speech (as usual).

Probably not...
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« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2008, 06:34:35 PM »
Quote from: Gabu on February 12, 2008, 06:33:16 PM
Quote from: Flem on February 12, 2008, 06:31:41 PM
Clinton campaign memo: "Virginia, Maryland and DC doesnt count!"

At this rate Clinton is well on her way to be arguing that a majority of states within the country don't matter. Tongue

Except Michigan and Florida
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« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2008, 06:37:42 PM »
Isn't Clinton's "Wait 'til Texas and Ohio" strategy looking too much like Rudy Giuliani's "Wait 'til Florida" strategy?
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« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2008, 06:48:34 PM »
Quote from: Gabu on February 12, 2008, 06:39:11 PM
Quote from: Will Rogers on February 12, 2008, 06:37:42 PM
Isn't Clinton's "Wait 'til Texas and Ohio" strategy looking too much like Rudy Giuliani's "Wait 'til Florida" strategy?

Not necessarily.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Giuliani ever actually led in Florida for a long time.  Conversely, Clinton definitely has leads in Texas and Ohio.


Clinton may lead there right now, but there are still three weeks until minisuper Tuesday (March 4), combine that with the Obama-mentum that will probably result from tonight and next Tuesday and you'll probably see dwindling leads for Clinton in the March 4 states going right through the end of February.

She will probably still win those states, but she has to win both, PLUS Pennsylvania in order to recapture the momentum.  If she loses just one of those states, then I don't see any way that she will be able to resurrect her already dim hopes.
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« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2008, 06:56:07 PM »
Quote from: Fmr Gov. Polnut on February 12, 2008, 06:54:33 PM
Quote from: MATCHU[D] on February 12, 2008, 06:51:23 PM
Quote from: Fmr Gov. Polnut on February 12, 2008, 06:49:49 PM
Quote from: Will Rogers on February 12, 2008, 06:37:42 PM
Isn't Clinton's "Wait 'til Texas and Ohio" strategy looking too much like Rudy Giuliani's "Wait 'til Florida" strategy?

No.

Giuliani was stupid enough to wait through the two key momentum builders - Iowa and New Hampshire - then because of that made a half-arsed effort in MI - got obliterated in all three, then many voters realised that inevitable truth about a Giuliani candidacy - he was a one-trick pony, who was in many ways repellant to many primary voters. States wouldn't risk losing all influence if they didn't think being an early primary/caucus didn't matter. Momentum mattered - Giuliani sat on his hands and let McCain suck up his support.

If Clinton doesn't focus anywhere except OH and TX - then she's kidding herself. Obama has the lead in pledged delegates, he's got all the momentum and the money, she needs a win - just to steady the ship, if nothing else.


She seems to be skipping right over Wisconsin.

I think that move could kill her campaign. She has to try for Wisconsin, it's an important symbolic state at the very least.

I'm in agreement with that.  She can't go four weeks without a victory.
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« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2008, 07:01:40 PM »
168 total delegates at stake for the Democrats tonight.

How many will either candidate get?
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« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2008, 07:04:24 PM »
This is going to be a LONG night for Hillary Clinton, no matter how she tries to spin it.
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« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2008, 07:05:00 PM »
Quote from: Al Widdershins on February 12, 2008, 07:04:35 PM
When will the actual results start coming in?

Momentarily, I presume.
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« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2008, 07:10:30 PM »
Quote from: Keystone Phil on February 12, 2008, 07:07:07 PM
What the hell is with Chris Matthews wanting Tim Kaine to do Virginia accents for him? Is CNN covering this now? I need to turn off MSNBC...

CNN is on, yes.  The rest of the night, I think through the end of Larry King Live at 1 am EST.
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« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2008, 07:18:35 PM »
Quote from: Keystone Phil on February 12, 2008, 07:16:11 PM
Haha, CNN cuts off reporting from Hillary event because they're singing the national anthem. CNN Purple heart America!

I liked that.  Of course, as Wolf always does, he talks too long and the song was almost done before he was done talking.
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« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2008, 07:22:48 PM »
Wow.  They've already given Obama 14 of the 83 delegates.  Clinton has 7.  There's less than 2% reporting.

This gives Hillary a 5 delegate lead.
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« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2008, 07:25:17 PM »

I'll stay on CNN.com as I don't want to have three browsers or tabs open for three separate states.
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« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2008, 07:32:52 PM »

Is it possible for Obama to rival 70% tonight?
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« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2008, 07:46:45 PM »
Quote from: MATCHU[D] on February 12, 2008, 07:43:00 PM
Quote from: Gabu on February 12, 2008, 07:41:08 PM
Quote from: Texas4Obama! on February 12, 2008, 07:39:57 PM
Voting in Maryland has been extended to 9:30 eastern.

WHAT

NO

That means I'll be at an evening class when polls close. Sad

I dont think this extends into DC....so atleast we'll have another result at 8 to keep us company during the wait.

btw yay at 1000th post Cheesy

Inclement weather caused the extension.
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« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2008, 07:50:19 PM »
Quote from: Alcon on February 12, 2008, 07:49:19 PM
ANN (Alcon News Network) calls D.C. for Obama

Tongue

Are you a girl's network? Tongue
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« Reply #23 on: February 12, 2008, 07:54:55 PM »
Quote from: Verily on February 12, 2008, 07:53:22 PM
Quote from: Alcon on February 12, 2008, 07:51:33 PM

Appalachia, created specifically so as not to include Richmond.

It's made for Clinton, basically.

You meant Roanoke, I assume, but yeah. Alas, VA-09 is sort of like a miniature version of West Virginia. She still has 67% there with 30% of it in.

Well, it is right next door to WV.
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« Reply #24 on: February 12, 2008, 08:00:51 PM »
No exit polls mean no immediate projections, yay!!!!
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