Wisconsin & Hawaii Democratic Results Discussion

[Alcon]

CNN reports 8% in with those numbers

[Mr. Morden]

CNN is now reporting results:

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#HI

8% in so far.

Also:

http://www.hawaiidemocrats.org/

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[Mr. Morden]

Those preliminary numbers are with 26 of the 347 precincts reporting.  Another update should be coming within 10 minutes:

http://www.hawaiidemocrats.org/

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

[exopolitician]

Please excuse my sig....for I could not pass up such an opportunity to customize it.

[Tender Branson]

Update:

Obama: 5.436 - 74%
Clinton: 1.875 - 25%

[HardRCafé]

This is delicious.

[Eraserhead]

Update:

Obama: 5.436 - 74%
Clinton: 1.875 - 25%

Oh noes! Clinton is closing in on us.

[socaldem]

So if Obama gets 70% in the first and second district and the same statewide, the breakdown of delegates would be:

Obama-Clinton

CD1: 4-2

CD2: 5-2

4 at-large: 3-1

3 pledged plos: 2-1

Total: 14-6

There is a chance Obama gets over 75% in district 1, in which case he would get 5 of that district's delegates.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

**Preliminary partial results of the Hawai'i Presidential Preference Poll :

With about 40% of Congressional District One reporting, ballots cast in the district are reported as follows:
 
Barack Obama 4,302
Hillary Clinton  1,542
Dennis Kucinich and John Edwards received votes falling far short of the 15% required to be allocated a delegate.

With about 20% of Congressional district Two reporting, ballots cast in the district are reported as follows:

Barack Obama 1,134
Hillary Clinton 333
Dennis Kucinich and John Edwards received votes falling far short of the 15% required to be allocated a delegate.

Notice:  The next preliminary partial result will be posted shortly after the live announcement at 11:00 p.m. HST**   

[exopolitician]

and with that...im off to bed.

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Hawaii has been called for Obama. How does this shocking development affect the race?

[Ebowed]

Hawaii has been called for Obama. How does this shocking development affect the race?

Means that Obama has the ability to win over Asian voters.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I'll celebrate with a lapdance from an Asian stripper if I see one next time I'm at a strip club!

[Angel of Death]

I'll celebrate with a lapdance from an Asian stripper if I see one next time I'm at a strip club!

Oh, would you have boycotted them otherwise?

[jimrtex]

Eh, I guess living in Texas has just led me to assume that other states do it that way as well.

What a waste of money though...

They assume that Presidential primary prestige in being early is better than cheapness.

Texas has some weird constitutional requirement (I think) that makes it quite hard to separate the two (or hold it much earlier than March 4), though the state leg. tried unsuccessfully to do so last year.

The primary used to be later, for example in Terry v Adams (1953) the Jaybird primary was in May, and the Democratic Primary in June or July.

When John Connally was going to run for President in 1980 as a Republican, there was an effort to split the presidential primary from the state primary.  This led to the Killer Bee episode in 1979 when 12 senators hid out to break quorum.

Flight of the "Killer Bees"

In 1979, a March 11 presidential primary was proposed to give Connally the edge in an "early" primary, while the state primary would remain in May.  As the presidential primary has been moved forward, it has dragged the state primary with it.

Perhaps the main reason that the proposal to move the presidential primary to February 5, 2008 failed, was that it was proposed to move the state primary with it.  The filing deadline for state office ends in early January, roughly 60 days before the primary.  Moving the primary meant moving the filing deadline back to 2007.  County election officials were opposed because it would mess up with sending out new voter registration cards -- I think they would have had to do it in the week between Christmas and New Years when they were most likely to be understaffed.  And there were also problems with the time periods with party affiliation.  They couldn't get the 21 senators to move to 2nd reading in the Senate.

California used to have a June primary in gubernatorial election years, and a March primary in presidential election years.  In 2007, when they moved to February 5, 2008; they split off the presidential primary, so that the statewide primary will always be in June.

[Eraserhead]

Hawaii with 51% reporting:

Obama 76%
Clinton 23%

lol.

[HardRCafé]

I guess this kills Colleen Hanabusa's chances of being the running mate.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Interesting, but not really surprising (but then what result would have been surprising? Hah). Better look at county results now.

[HardRCafé]

Of course, if Obama really IS a gay crack head, I guess she can be reanimated.

Even then, is Hillary really preferable?

[Bacon King]

I wasn't expecting a margin this large from either states, awesome. What did that one Obama-leaked spreadsheet have for these two states?

In regards to the Nora fascination a couple pages back, I'll just point out that the only news anchor I've found attractive was Heidi Collins from CNN.

[Lief 🗽]

Underestimated himself again. I'm beginning to think this "leaked" spreadsheet wasn't a real campaign spreadsheet at all.

[minionofmidas]

I never bought into that one myself, BRTD.  However, it is one of the things that will distinguish Texas, ever so slightly, because the downballot races will be on the ballot in that contest...

Other states hold separate Presidential and down-ballot primaries? That's odd...

The only other state which held a simultaneous Presidential/down-ballot primary so far is Illinois.

Eh, I guess living in Texas has just led me to assume that other states do it that way as well.

What a waste of money though...

The problem is that the Texas, Maryland and Illinois downballot primaries are hilariously, dangerously early for downballot races (look at the DeLay mess. Or the Ryan mess.) Yet states, understandably though not perhaps wisely, want their presidential primary early - and the parties too want them early though not quite as early. Uncoupling them from downballot primaries thus became unavoidable.

[minionofmidas]

And with one precinct out, Obama wins 58-41.
It's over.

[minionofmidas]

Clinton wins Adams, Burnett, Douglas, Forest, Iron (under 50%), Juneau, Marinette, Oconto (under 50%), Polk, Trempealeau (under 50%), cracks 60% nowhere.

Obama cracks 60% in Dane, Eau Claire, Milwaukee, Winnebago, wins Langlade with under 50%.

Someone make a map.