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« on: March 06, 2008, 08:12:36 pm »
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Hillary is put over the top by super delegates PROVIDING:

Hillary comes on strong winning Pennsylvania, Kentucky, W. Virginia, and Indiana by large margins negating smaller wins by Barack and WINNING the overall primary POPULAR VOTE.

For now, forego the debate on whether that's doable because I for one accept the premise that she would only win by a small bargain.  Could the Democratic Party faithful accept that decision and be ok with that?

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« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2008, 08:17:38 pm »
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She has to make up a 590k gap, and that doesn't include Iowa, Nevada, Washington, and Maine, where no numbers are available. I suppose it's more likely than her winning the pledged delegates, but the odds are against her.
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« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2008, 08:27:33 pm »
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I'd drive to Colorado and protest along with thousands of others.
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« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2008, 08:29:18 pm »
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It will be a bloodbath 20 minutes from where I live. I'd probably throw myself into the fray too... mayhem amuses me. But I would be upset.
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« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2008, 08:38:37 pm »
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Hillary is put over the top by super delegates PROVIDING:

Hillary comes on strong winning Pennsylvania, Kentucky, W. Virginia, and Indiana by large margins negating smaller wins by Barack and WINNING the overall primary POPULAR VOTE.

For now, forego the debate on whether that's doable because I for one accept the premise that she would only win by a small bargain.  Could the Democratic Party faithful accept that decision and be ok with that.



absolutely not, the Democratic Party should realize how necessary Obama's nomination is. 
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« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2008, 08:43:05 pm »
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Even the most liberal of libs have stated clearly that the leader in the delegate count going into the Convention better be the nominee or there will be blood in the streets and the party will be severly damaged.
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« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2008, 08:47:13 pm »
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I'd drive to Colorado and protest along with thousands of others.

the scenario you describe won't happen: even if Hillary wins PA, KY and WV  substantially, there are other states Obama will win and cancel out her PV gains. Plus there are the caucuses, so it's a weak argument. Also if FL and MI revote, I could see Obama winning MI and while FL would be close, Hillary would probably win.

if it does, there will be a floor fight: the superdelegates will have no choice but to support whoever gets the most pledged delegates: democrats don't love the Clintons THAT much.
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« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2008, 08:49:38 pm »
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Would it make any difference if Hillary agreed to put Barack on the ticket as VP??  In other words, would that be enough to cushion the blowfor her nomination to be acceptable to the rank in file?
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« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2008, 08:49:55 pm »
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hypothetically?



No way would I support Shrillary under such circumstances.
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« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2008, 08:55:11 pm »
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If Clinton wins the "popular vote" and Obama wins the pledged delegate count, then no matter which one of them wins the nom, the losing party will claim that the nomination was "stolen" from them, and you'll have an ugly mess.
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« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2008, 08:56:49 pm »
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Anger over the process would trump the fact that she is almost exactly the same as he on policy?

I remember working hard for Reagan against Ford in 1976 in a similar close race and ended up voting for Ford in the general even though I was still pissed.
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« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2008, 09:07:44 pm »
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I'd drive to Colorado and protest along with thousands of others.

Me too. Although I'd probably take a bus. It's always been my dream to get my ass kicked by a bunch of nightstick weilding cops at a Democratic convention, much like our forefathers.
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« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2008, 09:09:34 pm »
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I'd drive to Colorado and protest along with thousands of others.

Me too. Although I'd probably take a bus. It's always been my dream to get my ass kicked by a bunch of nightstick weilding cops at a Democratic convention, much like our forefathers.
I would love to go too, but sadly my parents would never let me.
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« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2008, 09:12:04 pm »
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Anger over the process would trump the fact that she is almost exactly the same as he on policy?

I remember working hard for Reagan against Ford in 1976 in a similar close race and ended up voting for Ford in the general even though I was still pissed.

That depends on if you take Hillary's latest stand on war seriously. I don't and a lot of Democrats don't. I think there is about a 0% chance of Hillary taking any serious steps end the war in Iraq if she takes office.
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Aaron is pissed:

She was like "How did you get my number?  I don't handle this issue.  You have to call the South Bryant Campus for that.  I'll transfer you, but I don't handle it."  She said it in a slightly condescending tone.  I didn't tell her that Grumps gave me the number.  I just told her I looked it up.
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« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2008, 09:27:12 pm »
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No. And another question: Why would the superdelegates do so?
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« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2008, 09:31:27 pm »
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hypothetically?



No way would I support Shrillary under such circumstances.

Yep, either McCain or write in Obama in protest. I will never vote for Hillary. Ever.
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« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2008, 09:33:44 pm »
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Yeah, I wouldn't vote for Clinton or McCain. I would either write in Obama or vote for Walt Brown or something.
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She was like "How did you get my number?  I don't handle this issue.  You have to call the South Bryant Campus for that.  I'll transfer you, but I don't handle it."  She said it in a slightly condescending tone.  I didn't tell her that Grumps gave me the number.  I just told her I looked it up.
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« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2008, 10:17:12 pm »
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Hillary is put over the top by super delegates PROVIDING:

Hillary comes on strong winning Pennsylvania, Kentucky, W. Virginia, and Indiana by large margins negating smaller wins by Barack and WINNING the overall primary POPULAR VOTE.

For now, forego the debate on whether that's doable because I for one accept the premise that she would only win by a small bargain.  Could the Democratic Party faithful accept that decision and be ok with that?



I think that if Obama leads by 100 delegates after FL/MI are settled, it's over for Hillary.
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« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2008, 10:22:51 pm »
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The supers will be looking at the polls and who is viable, and what has happened in the news, and about the candidates, since the voting stopped.
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« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2008, 10:28:59 pm »
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I think most superdelegates who want to remain out of the whole mess would just vote the way their state/district did if they're forced to take a side. Many who previously remained neutral have just done that so far (Chet Culver, Steve Kagen and Ron Kind, Minnesota DFL Chairman Brian Melendez.)
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« Reply #20 on: March 06, 2008, 10:40:40 pm »
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If Barack is the democratic nominee, I will be voting for him. I like Barack. However, I don't think he will win the general election and I think his campaign is insulting to all of those who have actually done hard work to make progress in this country.
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« Reply #21 on: March 06, 2008, 10:41:15 pm »
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I think his campaign is insulting to all of those who have actually done hard work to make progress in this country.

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« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2008, 10:44:01 pm »
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Absolutely not.  Whoever has the pledged delegate lead should be the nominee. 
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« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2008, 10:45:44 pm »
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The supers will be looking at the polls and who is viable, and what has happened in the news, and about the candidates, since the voting stopped.

They won't overlook the fact that Obama leads in pledged delegates. That would be hanging over their heads for the entirety.
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« Reply #24 on: March 06, 2008, 10:47:07 pm »
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The supers will be looking at the polls and who is viable, and what has happened in the news, and about the candidates, since the voting stopped.

They won't overlook the fact that Obama leads in pledged delegates. That would be hanging over their heads for the entirety.

And once Michigan revotes with Obama actually on the ballot he will lead including Florida and Michigan, so shut up J. J. before you copy and paste that again for the 268th time.
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