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« on: March 07, 2008, 12:36:12 PM »

From the San Francisco Chronicle

The heart of the matter is posted here:

The Second District Court of Appeal ruled that California law requires parents to send their children to full-time public or private schools or have them taught by credentialed tutors at home.

Some homeschoolers are affiliated with private or charter schools, like the Longs, but others fly under the radar completely. Many homeschooling families avoid truancy laws by registering with the state as a private school and then enroll only their own children.

Yet the appeals court said state law has been clear since at least 1953, when another appellate court rejected a challenge by homeschooling parents to California's compulsory education statutes. Those statutes require children ages 6 to 18 to attend a full-time day school, either public or private, or to be instructed by a tutor who holds a state credential for the child's grade level.

"California courts have held that ... parents do not have a constitutional right to homeschool their children," Justice H. Walter Croskey said in the 3-0 ruling issued on Feb. 28. "Parents have a legal duty to see to their children's schooling under the provisions of these laws."

Parents can be criminally prosecuted for failing to comply, Croskey said.

"A primary purpose of the educational system is to train school children in good citizenship, patriotism and loyalty to the state and the nation as a means of protecting the public welfare," the judge wrote, quoting from a 1961 case on a similar issue.

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« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2008, 12:39:33 PM »

Is it ironic if the state forces people at gun point* to read 1984?





*that's what "criminally prosecuted for failing to comply" means
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« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2008, 12:46:39 PM »

Is it ironic if the state forces people at gun point* to read 1984?





*that's what "criminally prosecuted for failing to comply" means

NO

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« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2008, 12:48:25 PM »

They'll just change the statute, or more likely in California, pass a proposition to change the statute.  Yawn.
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« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2008, 01:03:16 PM »

Is it ironic if the state forces people at gun point* to read 1984?





*that's what "criminally prosecuted for failing to comply" means
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I'm pretty sure this falls under number 2 there.  You'd assume if the state was going to have you read 1984 they wouldn't do it at gun point.
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« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2008, 01:21:12 PM »


Spade is probably correct.  In today's society, it would be unreasonable for California not to allow parents to homeschool their children.  However, until that is done, I wonder if the state would actually follow through with the current law and punish the parents.
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« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2008, 03:46:09 PM »

Good ruling. Homeschooling should not be allowed, period.
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« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2008, 03:48:51 PM »

If you're going to homeschool, you should have to affiliate with a credentialled organization.

FWIW, it is quite easy to unschool in California.
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« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2008, 02:27:23 AM »

Whenever is found what is called a paternal government, there is found state education. It has been discovered that the best way to ensure implicit obedience is to commence tyranny in the nursery. – Benjamin Disraeli, 1874
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« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2008, 04:33:00 AM »

It's ok if you can reside in the realm of this being some constitutional issue, but education has a FAR more important role besides the imparting of an academic education - it's where people learn vital social skills - in my experience I have NEVER met a homeschooled person who was able to relate to their peers.

Most people homeschool because parents are afraid of the influence of the "big bad world, with it's sin" or teaching children the Michigan militia handbook and preparing their children for the revolution.... either way it's not going to help them in the end.
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« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2008, 04:56:04 AM »

Maybe.  But that doesn't change the fact that we live a free country.  If you want to f--k you're kids up in the head filling them full of lies like Scientology or ignorance like Fundies of any stripe or fear mongering like Global Warming or racism like the Michigan Militia* that's your thing.  As long as you are not being overly physically cruel, forcing them to do unreasonable labor or having sex with them, nobody has the right to tell them how to do it and that includes the state and the church.

Freedom means having the opportunity to make mistakes.



*If this organization actually exists, I don't know if it's racist or not
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« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2008, 07:58:32 AM »

If that's how you view it, ok. But why is only being physically cruel bad? Educating your children in a fashion that leaves them socially retarded is somehow not cruel?

There are plenty of things that could be outside of those parameters you set that I feel are wrong, and where a child's right trumps their parent's right to screw them up in the head.

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« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2008, 10:18:53 AM »

Good ruling. Homeschooling should not be allowed, period.

What's next? Are we going to have to enlist in the Schwarzenegger Youth? Are you also aware that homeschoolers tend to do better on tests than public schools?
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« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2008, 10:57:05 AM »

...In today's society, it would be unreasonable for California not to allow parents to homeschool their children. 

Why, does 'today's society' countenance child abuse?
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