was this a low blow?

[© tweed]

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especially since those Jim Crow Democrats have been voting straight ticket Republican since Reagan, and probably since long before that...

[Kaine for Senate '18]

It is indeed a low blow.  I am so phucking sick of Republicans comparing modern Democrats to the Jim Crow racists.  Strom Thurmond was the last Jim Crow in the Senate, and he was Republican!

[Alcon]

As far as I can tell, she's just talking about why her father joined.  It would be a low blow if she was saying that is why she is still a Republican.

[Keystone Phil]

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especially since those Jim Crow Democrats have been voting straight ticket Republican since Reagan, and probably since long before that...

Ignorance

You do realize that old school Democrats in Alabama, Mississippi, etc. are still insanely favored to win state and local offices in these states, right?

[Kaine for Senate '18]

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especially since those Jim Crow Democrats have been voting straight ticket Republican since Reagan, and probably since long before that...

Ignorance

You do realize that old school Democrats in Alabama, Mississippi, etc. are still insanely favored to win state and local offices in these states, right?

True, but tell me why no Democrat has come close to winning the South since Jimmy Carter in '76?  And what about the House and Senate?

[Keystone Phil]

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especially since those Jim Crow Democrats have been voting straight ticket Republican since Reagan, and probably since long before that...

Ignorance

You do realize that old school Democrats in Alabama, Mississippi, etc. are still insanely favored to win state and local offices in these states, right?

True, but tell me why no Democrat has come close to winning the South since Jimmy Carter in '76?  And what about the House and Senate?

I don't get what that proves. They vote Republican for President, Senate and U.S. House so that makes them more racist than voting for the Dems for local and state races?

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especially since those Jim Crow Democrats have been voting straight ticket Republican since Reagan, and probably since long before that...

Ignorance

You do realize that old school Democrats in Alabama, Mississippi, etc. are still insanely favored to win state and local offices in these states, right?

they vote GOP at the national level without any question.

and Dem stranglehold on such offices has been really going into the toilet in the deep South as of the past 10-15 years.  notice how the all have the first and second Republican Governors since Reconstruction.

[Keystone Phil]

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especially since those Jim Crow Democrats have been voting straight ticket Republican since Reagan, and probably since long before that...

Ignorance

You do realize that old school Democrats in Alabama, Mississippi, etc. are still insanely favored to win state and local offices in these states, right?

they vote GOP at the national level without any question.

and Dem stranglehold on such offices has been really going into the toilet in the deep South as of the past 10-15 years.  notice how the all have the first and second Republican Governors since Reconstruction.

That's fine but they also vote for the Dems at the state (aside from Governor) and local level almost without question also.

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especially since those Jim Crow Democrats have been voting straight ticket Republican since Reagan, and probably since long before that...

Ignorance

You do realize that old school Democrats in Alabama, Mississippi, etc. are still insanely favored to win state and local offices in these states, right?

they vote GOP at the national level without any question.

and Dem stranglehold on such offices has been really going into the toilet in the deep South as of the past 10-15 years.  notice how the all have the first and second Republican Governors since Reconstruction.

That's fine but they also vote for the Dems at the state (aside from Governor) and local level almost without question also.

I'm not quite sure what you're trying to prove

[Keystone Phil]

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especially since those Jim Crow Democrats have been voting straight ticket Republican since Reagan, and probably since long before that...

Ignorance

You do realize that old school Democrats in Alabama, Mississippi, etc. are still insanely favored to win state and local offices in these states, right?

they vote GOP at the national level without any question.

and Dem stranglehold on such offices has been really going into the toilet in the deep South as of the past 10-15 years.  notice how the all have the first and second Republican Governors since Reconstruction.

That's fine but they also vote for the Dems at the state (aside from Governor) and local level almost without question also.

I'm not quite sure what you're trying to prove

It was being said that the racists in the south are completely unified behind the GOP because straight ticket GOP voting was apparently commong there. I'm saying it isn't. The Dems still win many races on the state and local levels. So, basically, there is no one party for these racists.

[© tweed]

those Democrats have nothing to do with the national party

[Keystone Phil]

those Democrats have nothing to do with the national party

Oh, of course not.

[Saxwsylvania]

Yes, that was definitely below the belt.  Only Republicans should be attacked for racism.

[© tweed]

those Democrats have nothing to do with the national party

Oh, of course not.

aren't we talking about the Deep South?  a pro-choice West Virginian doesn't exactly fit the Dixiecrat mold.

[Stranger in a strange land]

Thing is, the Dixiecrats either shut up, changed their ways, died, or retired. George Wallace and Orval Faubus both endorsed Jesse Jackson when he ran for president in the 80s. Robert Byrd has stated that he regrets voting against the Civil Rights Act. Even Strom Thurmond recanted his views on segregation, hired black staffers, and campaigned for black votes. The only senator who remained a hard-core racist until his last days in office was Jesse Helms, and he had switched parties  very early in his career.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I have a (very) hard time thinking of Byrd or Wallace as Dixiecrats. And it's not as easy as you might think with Faubus either...

[Keystone Phil]

those Democrats have nothing to do with the national party

Oh, of course not.

aren't we talking about the Deep South?  a pro-choice West Virginian doesn't exactly fit the Dixiecrat mold.

Apparently Pro Choice individuals can't be racist...

[Alcon]

those Democrats have nothing to do with the national party

Oh, of course not.

aren't we talking about the Deep South?  a pro-choice West Virginian doesn't exactly fit the Dixiecrat mold.

Apparently Pro Choice individuals can't be racist...

I think his point was more that pro-choice individuals cannot be Dixiecrats.

[Keystone Phil]

those Democrats have nothing to do with the national party

Oh, of course not.

aren't we talking about the Deep South?  a pro-choice West Virginian doesn't exactly fit the Dixiecrat mold.

Apparently Pro Choice individuals can't be racist...

I think his point was more that pro-choice individuals cannot be Dixiecrats.

Well, that's good but this thread wasn't about Dixiecrats. Jim Crow wasn't limited to the Deep South.

[Alcon]

Haven't you been talking about the Deep South since this post?  That's what the entire tract of discussion has been about - "those Democrats," being (I assume) the Dixiecrats.

[Sam Spade]

I don't get this - her quote is more of a statement of fact, rather than an opinion or a "low blow", as you put it.

Though I really thought the Democrats had managed to either lynch or drive out all the Republicans in Alabama by 1952.  (now that is a "low blow", for example)

[Kaine for Senate '18]

those Democrats have nothing to do with the national party

Oh, of course not.

aren't we talking about the Deep South?  a pro-choice West Virginian doesn't exactly fit the Dixiecrat mold.

Apparently Pro Choice individuals can't be racist...

I think his point was more that pro-choice individuals cannot be Dixiecrats.

Well, that's good but this thread wasn't about Dixiecrats. Jim Crow wasn't limited to the Deep South.

True, but we've been talking about the Deep South.

[Keystone Phil]

Haven't you been talking about the Deep South since this post?  That's what the entire tract of discussion has been about - "those Democrats," being (I assume) the Dixiecrats.

I'm talking about southern Democrats being successful in state and local races across the south.

True, but we've been talking about the Deep South.

Ok, well you got off topic. The topic was about Jim Crow/racist Democrats of the past. I was saying they still exist and not just in the Deep South.

[WalterMitty]

if i remember correctly, joe kennedy wanted to register as a republican, but they wouldnt let him because he was irish.

the democrats did.

is that a low blow?

[Lief 🗽]

I have a (very) hard time thinking of Byrd or Wallace as Dixiecrats. And it's not as easy as you might think with Faubus either...

Wallace wasn't a Dixiecrat? What?