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« Reply #50 on: February 18, 2004, 10:19:55 am »
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Buchanan initially did not endorse the war in Afghanistan. He remained silent until it started going well, then he said he was in favor of it.

Buchanan supported going into Afghanistan, getting  bin Laden and other Al Qaeda, overthrowing the Taliban, get out and go home -- and let the Arab and Islamic world work out its own destiny.

He also opposed the first Gulf War.

Yes, because Iraq didn't attack us in 1991. He's consistent.
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« Reply #51 on: February 18, 2004, 10:31:02 am »
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Buchanan initially did not endorse the war in Afghanistan. He remained silent until it started going well, then he said he was in favor of it. He also opposed the first Gulf War. He opposes anything that has a positive impact on our ally Israel and/or a negative impact on any nation or group that HATES Israel.

If you doubt his anti-semitism, try reading the article I linked below. If you still think he's not anti-semitic...

http://www.amconmag.com/03_24_03/cover.html

As Pat notes, a passionate attachment to Israel is a "key tenet of neoconservatism" by neo-cons' own admissions.  There's nothing wrong with such a belief. Some have it because they view Israel as a beacon of democracy in a wasp's nest of despotism.  Some have it because of religious ties to Israel. There's nothing anti-semitic about asking why our foreign polic objectives have to be exactly the same as Israel's. You can insert the name of any other country.  Our interests should be ours and ours alone.   George Washington did not send the US in to engage in the French Revolution. Was Washington anti-French? Even if he was, his action here isn't evidence of it.
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« Reply #52 on: February 18, 2004, 10:57:54 am »
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By the way, Buchanan even incorrectly defines what constitutes a "neo-conservative" in order to paint them all as Jewish leftists who moved to the right just to help Israel. Buchanan may not be Adolf Hitler, but he would have looked pretty nifty in a SS Uniform.

Pat doesn't suggest that neo-cons are a Jewish cabal. People who want to paint him as an anti-Semite do so.  Dick Cheney, Jeb Bush, George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, just for starters-- not a semite in the bunch.  The Project for a New American Century and the American Enterprise Institute support the idea of Pax Americana-- the American Empire.    It's not paranoia, as they say, if they really are out to get you.  There's no ambiguity about what doctrine they want our foreign policy to advance.
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« Reply #53 on: February 18, 2004, 02:54:49 pm »

County and CD map are now on-line.
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« Reply #54 on: February 18, 2004, 02:55:53 pm »
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County and CD map are now on-line.

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« Reply #55 on: February 18, 2004, 03:28:54 pm »
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I can only see the CD map Sad
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« Reply #56 on: February 20, 2004, 10:05:11 am »
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Still, all I see is the blank Wisconsin county map.  can somebody help me?
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« Reply #57 on: February 20, 2004, 10:10:16 am »
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Still, all I see is the blank Wisconsin county map.  can somebody help me?
You're not really missing anything. It's already obvious from the CD map that Edwards won in SE Wisconsin outside Milwaukee, ie in the Rep. part. That just gets confirmed in the county map.
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« Reply #58 on: February 20, 2004, 10:14:18 am »
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He did O.K in the Dairylands (Dem) and around Green Bay (GOP) as well though.
It's interesting to note that he usually does best in GOP areas (look at VA or SC)
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« Reply #59 on: February 20, 2004, 10:15:26 am »
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He did O.K in the Dairylands (Dem) and around Green Bay (GOP) as well though.
It's interesting to note that he usually does best in GOP areas (look at VA or SC)
Edwards won the urban areas, Kerry won the rural vote.

Why are all these labor unions endorsing pro-NAFTA Kerry?
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« Reply #60 on: February 20, 2004, 10:16:09 am »
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In Virginia, he did best in parts of the ninth district, right? Since when is that a Rep area? In Tennessee too, he did best in the central part of the state, ie the area where there still are rural white Democrats.
But elsewhere, it's true.
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« Reply #61 on: February 20, 2004, 10:27:12 am »
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In Virginia, he did best in parts of the ninth district, right? Since when is that a Rep area? In Tennessee too, he did best in the central part of the state, ie the area where there still are rural white Democrats.
But elsewhere, it's true.
He did best in the part of VA that borders WV.
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« Reply #62 on: February 20, 2004, 11:01:27 am »
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That's true... although he did do O.K in the Shenadoah Valley (traditionally a moderate GOP area).
He did best in Appalachia in general... except for the Clinches.

BTW since when were the Dairylands urban?
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« Reply #63 on: February 20, 2004, 11:11:27 am »
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That's true... although he did do O.K in the Shenadoah Valley (traditionally a moderate GOP area).
He did best in Appalachia in general... except for the Clinches.

BTW since when were the Dairylands urban?
Edwards won the Milwaukee area, that's what I meant by urban.
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