Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
November 25, 2014, 07:24:27 pm
HomePredMockPollEVCalcAFEWIKIHelpLogin Register
News: Please delete your old personal messages.

+  Atlas Forum
|-+  Election Archive
| |-+  2008 Elections
| | |-+  Obama's Long Ride Down - The Numbers
« previous next »
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 [7] Print
Author Topic: Obama's Long Ride Down - The Numbers  (Read 15590 times)
motomonkey
Full Member
***
Posts: 191


View Profile
« Reply #150 on: April 24, 2008, 05:29:48 am »
Ignore

I agree that WI was among Obama's best showing in the working class white demographics.  My point is that something has changed in Obama's draw. It is probably most pronounced among the church going.  Because the Catholic vote is significant in WI and PA, it seems a fair slice to examine.

It does not seem intellectually honest to continue believing Obamaa is as strong of a candidate as he was 60 days ago.  His negative numbers are way up.  He is not as attractive to working class whites, and white males, and church attenders as before. 
Logged
JSojourner
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 11629
United States


Political Matrix
E: -8.65, S: -6.94

View Profile
« Reply #151 on: April 24, 2008, 06:49:15 pm »
Ignore

I agree that WI was among Obama's best showing in the working class white demographics.  My point is that something has changed in Obama's draw. It is probably most pronounced among the church going.  Because the Catholic vote is significant in WI and PA, it seems a fair slice to examine.

It does not seem intellectually honest to continue believing Obamaa is as strong of a candidate as he was 60 days ago.  His negative numbers are way up.  He is not as attractive to working class whites, and white males, and church attenders as before. 

I couldn't agree more and it deeply concerns me.

This is why I wish more candidates lasted longer into the primary season.  Right out of the gate (Iowa), we lost the two best -- Dodd and Biden. 
Logged

Lief
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 34511


View Profile
« Reply #152 on: April 24, 2008, 08:40:34 pm »
Ignore

I agree that WI was among Obama's best showing in the working class white demographics.  My point is that something has changed in Obama's draw. It is probably most pronounced among the church going.  Because the Catholic vote is significant in WI and PA, it seems a fair slice to examine.

It does not seem intellectually honest to continue believing Obamaa is as strong of a candidate as he was 60 days ago.  His negative numbers are way up.  He is not as attractive to working class whites, and white males, and church attenders as before. 

I couldn't agree more and it deeply concerns me.

This is why I wish more candidates lasted longer into the primary season.  Right out of the gate (Iowa), we lost the two best -- Dodd and Biden. 
Not really. They weren't much than John Kerry and arguably worse.
Logged

J. J.
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 32090
United States


View Profile
« Reply #153 on: April 24, 2008, 09:48:57 pm »
Ignore

Three months ago, I said that Obama had the best chance of winning as the nominee; now I say Clinton does.  He's no McGovern, but he can't win this time.
Logged

J. J.

"Actually, .. now that you mention it...." 
- Londo Molari

"Every government are parliaments of whores.
The trouble is, in a democracy the whores are us." - P. J. O'Rourke

"Wa sala, wa lala."

(Zulu for, "You snooze, you lose.")
JSojourner
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 11629
United States


Political Matrix
E: -8.65, S: -6.94

View Profile
« Reply #154 on: April 25, 2008, 12:42:29 am »
Ignore

I agree that WI was among Obama's best showing in the working class white demographics.  My point is that something has changed in Obama's draw. It is probably most pronounced among the church going.  Because the Catholic vote is significant in WI and PA, it seems a fair slice to examine.

It does not seem intellectually honest to continue believing Obamaa is as strong of a candidate as he was 60 days ago.  His negative numbers are way up.  He is not as attractive to working class whites, and white males, and church attenders as before. 

I couldn't agree more and it deeply concerns me.

This is why I wish more candidates lasted longer into the primary season.  Right out of the gate (Iowa), we lost the two best -- Dodd and Biden. 
Not really. They weren't much than John Kerry and arguably worse.

I can agree that Kerry was a poor candidate.  And likely, Dodd would have been too. 

But I think Kerry would have made a sensational President.  I am really surprised more Democrats don't think so.  There was certainly no one else in the 2004 Primary field with better credentials or sounder policy (from a D perspective, of course!).  Gephardt probably came close.  But again, I am talking about them as President.  Not as candidate.  Aside from Bill Clinton, I can't remember the last time Democrats fielded a decent Presidential candidate.  1968?
Logged

incredibly specific types of post-punk music
BRTD
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 72796
United Kingdom


View Profile
« Reply #155 on: April 05, 2009, 01:26:51 am »
Ignore

hahahahahhahahaha
Logged




01/05/2004-01/10/2014
Landslide Lyndon
px75
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 9356
Greece


Political Matrix
E: -2.58, S: -5.22

View Profile
« Reply #156 on: April 05, 2009, 07:01:17 am »
Ignore

What a joke thread!

These clowns, J.J. and motonmonkey, had absolutely no idea what they were talking about.
Concern troll doesn't even begin to describe them. 
Logged

Bob Findley: "You're a real dyed-in-the-wool son-of-a-bitch. Anyone ever told you that?"
Steve Everett: "Just close friends and family,"

Clint Eastwood's "True Crime", 1999.
Warner for President '16
benconstine
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 30667
United States


View Profile
« Reply #157 on: April 05, 2009, 11:13:57 am »
Ignore

Bye bye Florida.  If Obama even had a chance there anyway which I doubt.

Grin
Logged

Obama High's debate team:

"Now let me be clear...I...I...um...uh...now let me be clear.  I strongly condemn the affirmative in the strongest possible terms, and I am closely monitoring their arguments.  Let me be clear on this."
Meeker
meekermariner
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 14170


Political Matrix
E: -4.90, S: -2.61

View Profile
« Reply #158 on: April 06, 2009, 01:12:32 am »
Ignore

I had forgotten how stupid people were during the primaries.
Logged
○∙◄☻tπ[╪AV┼cV└
jfern
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 32353


View Profile
« Reply #159 on: April 06, 2009, 01:46:20 am »
Ignore

I had forgotten how stupid people were during the primaries.

Did you really need those last 3 words?
Logged
Eraserhead
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 39326
United States


View Profile
« Reply #160 on: April 06, 2009, 12:54:15 pm »
Ignore

Bye bye Florida.  If Obama even had a chance there anyway which I doubt.

lolz
Logged

Landslide Lyndon
px75
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 9356
Greece


Political Matrix
E: -2.58, S: -5.22

View Profile
« Reply #161 on: April 06, 2009, 01:45:20 pm »
Ignore

Bye bye Florida.  If Obama even had a chance there anyway which I doubt.

lolz
Those guys from Texas were a real hoot.
Not big fans of reality.
Logged

Bob Findley: "You're a real dyed-in-the-wool son-of-a-bitch. Anyone ever told you that?"
Steve Everett: "Just close friends and family,"

Clint Eastwood's "True Crime", 1999.
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 [7] Print 
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Logout

Powered by SMF 1.1.20 | SMF © 2013, Simple Machines