Question to public school advocates

[Bono]

Would you be ok with abolishing public schools and just making welfare payouts bigger to include the cost of education?
Possibly including some compulsory attendance provision.

[Ban my account ffs!]

No.  There is no good reason to privatizing schools.  There are numerous reasons why uniform public schools are good. 

[SPC]

While I am not a public school advocate, I would not want welfare handouts period, regardless of whether it is used to pay for school.

[jokerman]

No, lol.  Why don't we just stop public construction of roads and give everyone enough to pave their own?

[Padfoot]

I voted no but I might be open to some form of increased privatization perhaps leading to total privatization if accompanied by government curriculum requirements.  This kind of immediate elimination thinking is common to Libertarians which is one of the reasons their party is such a joke.  You can't just wake up one day and decide public schools should be completely replaced by private schools.

[memphis]

If this happenned, half the people in America would "homeschool" (Watch tv all day) their kids and keep the money for more material crap.

[MODU]

No.

[J. J.]

No.

I think there is value in having an educated population.

[MODU]

No.

I think there is value in having an educated population.

There definitely is, but the proposal made in the original post is not practical.  For starters, it creates a much larger wellfare state, and if we can't manage our Medicare and Social Security tax revenues and payments without driving those two programs bankrupt, just imagine how poorly welfare-funded education would go.  Secondly, if there aren't enough private schools in the area, how will this be an improvement?  You'll either end up with overcrowding or homeschooling.  And if a flood of new private schools pop up to meet demand, you now risk lower-quality education, placing you right back to where you are now.  So what was gained outside of increased taxes and bloated welfare spending?

[MasterJedi]

No.

[2952-0-0]

Our current system doesn't work as well as it should, so something half-baked and unproven will totally work!

[minionofmidas]

Would you be ok with abolishing public schools and just making welfare payouts bigger to include the cost of education?
Possibly including some compulsory attendance provision.

No. That looks too like Germany's health insurance scheme to me...

[Stranger in a strange land]

No. Public schools are good for society: it's good for people to know how to read and write, and probably essential in a modern society.

[dead0man]

Our current system doesn't work as well as it should, so something half-baked and unproven will totally work!

Funny, that's my exact sarcastic take on the current health care plans put forth by people on the left.

[Robespierre's Jaw]

No. Public schools are good for society: it's good for people to know how to read and write, and probably essential in a modern society.

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[jokerman]

Our current system doesn't work as well as it should, so something half-baked and unproven will totally work!

Funny, that's my exact sarcastic take on the current health care plans put forth by people on the left.

That doesn't make sense at all.  Wheras Bono's education plan involves massive decentralization, the left's health care plans (spc. Clinton's) involve consolidation and greater oversight.

[MODU]

Our current system doesn't work as well as it should, so something half-baked and unproven will totally work!

Funny, that's my exact sarcastic take on the current health care plans put forth by people on the left.

That doesn't make sense at all.  Wheras Bono's education plan involves massive decentralization, the left's health care plans (spc. Clinton's) involve consolidation and greater oversight.

A product of public education by chance?

[dead0man]

Our current system doesn't work as well as it should, so something half-baked and unproven will totally work!

Funny, that's my exact sarcastic take on the current health care plans put forth by people on the left.

That doesn't make sense at all.  Wheras Bono's education plan involves massive decentralization, the left's health care plans (spc. Clinton's) involve consolidation and greater oversight.

Where is all that implied in the previous statement?

[Ban my account ffs!]

Our current system doesn't work as well as it should, so something half-baked and unproven will totally work!

Funny, that's my exact sarcastic take on the current health care plans put forth by people on the left.

That doesn't make sense at all.  Wheras Bono's education plan involves massive decentralization, the left's health care plans (spc. Clinton's) involve consolidation and greater oversight.

Where is all that implied in the previous statement?

You are comparing apples to oranges.

Socialized medicine has been tried and proven in many societies that are actually healthier and longer lived than us.

Privatized education with "vouchers" hasn't been tried or tested... nor should it be, lest we fail a generation of students in the process.

[dead0man]

You are comparing apples to oranges.

Socialized medicine has been tried and proven in many societies that are actually healthier and longer lived than us.

A.those countries populations live longer and healthier whether they have socialized medicine or not.
B.it's never been tried on the scale it would be in the US

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While it's never been done until the point that public schools are eliminated, the "regular" version of it has been put in place all over the world and a few places in the states. cite

[SPC]

No, lol.  Why don't we just stop public construction of roads and give everyone enough to pave their own?

What's wrong with the former? California has a privately-owned road.

No. Public schools are good for society: it's good for people to know how to read and write, and probably essential in a modern society.

By your reasoning, if the government had a monopoly on convenience stores, you would oppose abolishing the government's monopoly on stores because you couldn't fathom the private sector doing it.

[Bono]

Privatized education with "vouchers" hasn't been tried or tested... nor should it be, lest we fail a generation of students in the process.

As if the current public schools are doing a great job...
Anyway, Chile and Sweden have school vouchers.

[JohnFKennedy]

A.those countries populations live longer and healthier whether they have socialized medicine or not.

How on earth could you establish that?

[Bono]

A.those countries populations live longer and healthier whether they have socialized medicine or not.

How on earth could you establish that?

I don't think you can establish that they love longer and healthier because of public schools either.

[JohnFKennedy]

A.those countries populations live longer and healthier whether they have socialized medicine or not.

How on earth could you establish that?

I don't think you can establish that they love longer and healthier because of public schools either.

His statement doesn't say anything about public schools and nor does mine.