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« Reply #50 on: October 16, 2010, 08:55:25 pm »
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« Reply #51 on: October 16, 2010, 09:43:31 pm »
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« Reply #52 on: October 16, 2010, 10:02:24 pm »
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Only an absurd right-wing hack would say that Obama has been worse than Bush TBH. I mean, Bush made some good decisions - TARP, arguably Iraq if that's your thing - but overall his Presidency was such a mess it will likely not be matched for decades.

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« Reply #53 on: October 17, 2010, 08:37:43 pm »
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Only an absurd right-wing hack would say that Obama has been worse than Bush TBH. I mean, Bush made some good decisions - TARP, arguably Iraq if that's your thing - but overall his Presidency was such a mess it will likely not be matched for decades.

I'm glad to know you consider me an absurd right-wing hack, then. Roll Eyes

Well, you are.
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« Reply #54 on: October 17, 2010, 08:46:01 pm »
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One good thing nobody has really recognized is that Bush imposed even harsher and more ridiculous conditions on Cuba and Obama withdrew some of those. I suppose though that the most commendable thing he's done is not decide to bomb Iran. Let's hope it stays like that.

I mean, Bush made some good decisions - TARP, arguably Iraq

Neither of those decisions were good. Both were awful.
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« Reply #55 on: October 19, 2010, 02:37:02 am »
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Unimpressive, but still better (which is not very hard).
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« Reply #56 on: October 19, 2010, 10:31:43 am »
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I'd just like to clarify that I don't necessarily consider the Iraq war to be an example of a good decision - although I don't think it's as clear cut as many on the "left" seem to think - only that some people would.
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« Reply #57 on: October 23, 2010, 01:52:41 am »
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Iraq was and is a deranged and evil misadventure.
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« Reply #58 on: November 26, 2010, 04:52:10 am »
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He is a mildly disappointing President so far, so yeah, he's about a trillion times better than Bush was. 
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« Reply #59 on: November 30, 2010, 04:26:32 pm »
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He is a mildly disappointing President so far, so yeah, he's about a trillion times better than Bush was. 
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« Reply #60 on: December 03, 2010, 08:32:01 am »
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He was always an independent more moderate president and has disappointed progressives. But you can say that gets him more votes over Bush.
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« Reply #61 on: April 29, 2013, 10:28:58 pm »
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Four years later we get this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States

Warning -- this is a Wikipedia article, and it will not go unchanged. Events, better or worse between now and January 20, 2017, will shape the image of this President. It is not professional, but it seems neutral enough. 

My take:

So far he is probably above average. He obviously can't compare to George Washington for defining the Presidency; any comparison to Lincoln or FDR requires a crisis as severe as World War II or the Civil War, neither of which is likely to happen. He will likely get much credit for adept stewardship of the economy because an economic meltdown that began to look like the start of the Great Depression ended in the equivalent of the spring of 1931 instead of the autumn of 1932. He has nation-changing legislation to his credit -- Obamacare -- like it or not. Sure it could be repealed, but it had better have a satisfactory replacement attached because he will veto anything that is not an improvement. Big reforms are always subject to subsequent reforms. He disposed of the most dangerous terrorist in American history.

Dubya, in contrast, is recognized as the worst President of at the least the twentieth century except for Warren G. Harding. Dubya gets the rap for two wars, one badly bungled and one that should have never happened but would not have happened except for his dishonesty -- and for a speculative boom that went awry with the potential of starting another Great Depression. Dubya may outrank Warren G. Harding because the Teapot Dome Scandal was the cornerstone of the short Harding Administration. Dubya had Enron, to which he had stronger and more personal ties.     

Barack Obama has established what he is as President. One of his arch-rivals (Karl Rove) acknowledges that President Obama is cautious.  After Dubya, that is quite a necessary change. He is a stickler for protocol and precedent; he collaborates closely with intelligence agencies (contrast Jimmy Carter). He has run a squeaky-clean administration.

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« Reply #62 on: April 29, 2013, 10:32:10 pm »
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Well, he exceeded that incredibly low bar, but he has been a massive disappointment.
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« Reply #63 on: April 30, 2013, 03:38:55 pm »
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Well, he exceeded that incredibly low bar, but he has been a massive disappointment.

Even with my disappointment with Obama at times, he's still probably the best president since Johnson.
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« Reply #64 on: May 01, 2013, 01:27:43 pm »
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Obama is the worst president of the second decade of the 21st century. 
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« Reply #65 on: May 01, 2013, 10:07:31 pm »
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Well, he exceeded that incredibly low bar, but he has been a massive disappointment.

Even with my disappointment with Obama at times, he's still probably the best president since Johnson.
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« Reply #66 on: May 05, 2013, 09:11:12 am »
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I think it's much too early to even rate President Bush's performance.  Remember that most historians are overwhelmingly liberal, and so putting Bush among the ten worst presidents is clearly politically motivated.  I would probably Bush somewhere in the middle, and Obama just slightly lower.
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« Reply #67 on: May 05, 2013, 12:24:43 pm »
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Obama is the worst president of the second decade of the 20th century. 
That would be good ol' William Howard Taft, actually.
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« Reply #68 on: May 11, 2013, 03:08:53 pm »
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Well, he exceeded that incredibly low bar, but he has been a massive disappointment.

Even with my disappointment with Obama at times, he's still probably the best president since Johnson.

Eisenhower, so far -- no scandals, end of a nasty war going nowhere, ACA is probably on the scale of the Interstate Highway System. LBJ gets culpability for mismanaging the War in Vietnam. 
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« Reply #69 on: May 15, 2013, 09:35:56 am »
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I think it's much too early to even rate President Bush's performance.  Remember that most historians are overwhelmingly liberal, and so putting Bush among the ten worst presidents is clearly politically motivated.  I would probably Bush somewhere in the middle, and Obama just slightly lower.

Given that a lot of historians rank Reagan high, somehow I don't think their politics is the deciding factor.
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« Reply #70 on: September 11, 2013, 12:10:27 pm »
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I think it's much too early to even rate President Bush's performance.  Remember that most historians are overwhelmingly liberal, and so putting Bush among the ten worst presidents is clearly politically motivated.  I would probably Bush somewhere in the middle, and Obama just slightly lower.

Given that a lot of historians rank Reagan high, somehow I don't think their politics is the deciding factor.
I agree. My history teacher last semester was fairly liberal, but did feel that Reagan was a good president overall.
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