kansas?

[WalterMitty]

ive read some other forums on the internets where ive encountered several obama supporters who actually claim obama has a shot in kansas.

kansas!

no one here believes that...right?

[The Mikado]

No, but I think he could outperform John Kerry by 5-6 points.

[exopolitician]

Then add South Dakota and Virginia then that hackery is countered with McCain winning California, Mass, and Connecticut....woo...hoo....

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

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^^^ Remember that? Yes, some people think Obama can carry Kansas if Sebelius is the VP.

[jokerman]

What makes Obama so strong in Kansas anyway?  Independents and disaffected Republicans in KC suburbs?

[© tweed]

if Obama wins 54/45 nationally and has Sebelius at the bottom of the ticket he probably would win Kansas by a few percentage points.

[WalterMitty]

if Obama wins 54/45 nationally and has Sebelius at the bottom of the ticket he probably would win Kansas by a few percentage points.

my drunken posts usually consists of mindless ramblings and fearing the hangover.

tweed, learn to hold your liquor.

[Aizen]

waltermitty what are you doing

[Beet]

What makes Obama so strong in Kansas anyway?  Independents and disaffected Republicans in KC suburbs?

Obama seems to be awfully strong in areas that have been traditionally strong for the GOP over the long run, not just in the past several cycles. One can't help but the word "mugwump" come up in regards to Obama, as well as images of other 19th century Republican social reformers.

[© tweed]

if Obama wins 54/45 nationally and has Sebelius at the bottom of the ticket he probably would win Kansas by a few percentage points.

my drunken posts usually consists of mindless ramblings and fearing the hangover.

tweed, learn to hold your liquor.

how is my post unreasonable?

[exopolitician]

if Obama wins 54/45 nationally and has Sebelius at the bottom of the ticket he probably would win Kansas by a few percentage points.

my drunken posts usually consists of mindless ramblings and fearing the hangover.

tweed, learn to hold your liquor.

how is my post unreasonable?

Cause it mentions "Obama winning..."

thats something not acceptable around here apparently.

[jokerman]

What makes Obama so strong in Kansas anyway?  Independents and disaffected Republicans in KC suburbs?

Obama seems to be awfully strong in areas that have been traditionally strong for the GOP over the long run, not just in the past several cycles. One can't help but the word "mugwump" come up in regards to Obama, as well as images of other 19th century Republican social reformers.

Right.  Well Obama will be uniquely strong in Kansas, aye, but he's going to have so low a ceiling of support among rural and working class voters that his overall statewide ceiling of support will probably be about 45%, in my opinion.

[WalterMitty]

if Obama wins 54/45 nationally and has Sebelius at the bottom of the ticket he probably would win Kansas by a few percentage points.

my drunken posts usually consists of mindless ramblings and fearing the hangover.

tweed, learn to hold your liquor.

how is my post unreasonable?

1. obama isnt going to win nationally by 9-10 points.  (he will be lucky to win at all)
2.  even a 9 point win isnt going to get him over the top in kansas, no matter who his running mate is.

[JSojourner]

He's not going to win in Kansas.

And the Reverend Jeremiah Wright scandal is going to ensure that he loses everything but the District of Columbia to John McCain. 

::: blink :::

Well --

He's not going to win Kansas.

[Joe Biden 2020]

He's not going to win Kansas.  To think that he could is just ludicrous.  He may make it closer than in 2004, but Clinton could even do that.  Kansas will go at least 57% for McCain.

[Stranger in a strange land]

What makes Obama so strong in Kansas anyway?  Independents and disaffected Republicans in KC suburbs?

Obama seems to be awfully strong in areas that have been traditionally strong for the GOP over the long run, not just in the past several cycles. One can't help but the word "mugwump" come up in regards to Obama, as well as images of other 19th century Republican social reformers.

Right.  Well Obama will be uniquely strong in Kansas, aye, but he's going to have so low a ceiling of support among rural and working class voters that his overall statewide ceiling of support will probably be about 45%, in my opinion.

I think he'll get in the 43-45% range. His mother was from there, but that won't be too much of a factor. He'll outperform Kerry, but not enough to win.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Obama could make it as close as 54-45, although the final will probably be closer to 57-42.

[Keystone Phil]

Another fantasy of the dangerous people.

[Lief 🗽]

He'll keep it under 10% without Sebelius. With Sebelius on the bottom of the ticket, and a national win of 53% or more, he'll win it.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

What makes Obama so strong in Kansas anyway?  Independents and disaffected Republicans in KC suburbs?

Obama seems to be awfully strong in areas that have been traditionally strong for the GOP over the long run, not just in the past several cycles. One can't help but the word "mugwump" come up in regards to Obama, as well as images of other 19th century Republican social reformers.

Right.  Well Obama will be uniquely strong in Kansas, aye, but he's going to have so low a ceiling of support among rural and working class voters that his overall statewide ceiling of support will probably be about 45%, in my opinion.

The issue is ceilings - people are reading WAY WAY WAY too much into the primary/caucus results. With Sebelius in the VP slot, he gets maybe 53-46 - without her 57-43.

[Joe Biden 2020]

What makes Obama so strong in Kansas anyway?  Independents and disaffected Republicans in KC suburbs?

Obama seems to be awfully strong in areas that have been traditionally strong for the GOP over the long run, not just in the past several cycles. One can't help but the word "mugwump" come up in regards to Obama, as well as images of other 19th century Republican social reformers.

Right.  Well Obama will be uniquely strong in Kansas, aye, but he's going to have so low a ceiling of support among rural and working class voters that his overall statewide ceiling of support will probably be about 45%, in my opinion.

The issue is ceilings - people are reading WAY WAY WAY too much into the primary/caucus results. With Sebelius in the VP slot, he gets maybe 53-46 - without her 57-43.

Doubtful that he would even choose Sebelius.  She's not a white man and Obama needs a white man on the ticket to pacify the racists and traditionalists out there.  The best he could do is get 40-43% in Kansas.

[Lief 🗽]

What makes Obama so strong in Kansas anyway?  Independents and disaffected Republicans in KC suburbs?

Obama seems to be awfully strong in areas that have been traditionally strong for the GOP over the long run, not just in the past several cycles. One can't help but the word "mugwump" come up in regards to Obama, as well as images of other 19th century Republican social reformers.

Right.  Well Obama will be uniquely strong in Kansas, aye, but he's going to have so low a ceiling of support among rural and working class voters that his overall statewide ceiling of support will probably be about 45%, in my opinion.

The issue is ceilings - people are reading WAY WAY WAY too much into the primary/caucus results. With Sebelius in the VP slot, he gets maybe 53-46 - without her 57-43.

Doubtful that he would even choose Sebelius.  She's not a white man and Obama needs a white man on the ticket to pacify the racists and traditionalists out there.  The best he could do is get 40-43% in Kansas.

The racists and conservatives aren't voting for a liberal black man anyway.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

What makes Obama so strong in Kansas anyway?  Independents and disaffected Republicans in KC suburbs?

Obama seems to be awfully strong in areas that have been traditionally strong for the GOP over the long run, not just in the past several cycles. One can't help but the word "mugwump" come up in regards to Obama, as well as images of other 19th century Republican social reformers.

Right.  Well Obama will be uniquely strong in Kansas, aye, but he's going to have so low a ceiling of support among rural and working class voters that his overall statewide ceiling of support will probably be about 45%, in my opinion.

The issue is ceilings - people are reading WAY WAY WAY too much into the primary/caucus results. With Sebelius in the VP slot, he gets maybe 53-46 - without her 57-43.

Doubtful that he would even choose Sebelius.  She's not a white man and Obama needs a white man on the ticket to pacify the racists and traditionalists out there.  The best he could do is get 40-43% in Kansas.

The racists and conservatives aren't voting for a liberal black man anyway.

Part of the reason why I think way too much is being read into from the P/C results.

[© tweed]

if Obama wins 54/45 nationally and has Sebelius at the bottom of the ticket he probably would win Kansas by a few percentage points.

my drunken posts usually consists of mindless ramblings and fearing the hangover.

tweed, learn to hold your liquor.

how is my post unreasonable?

1. obama isnt going to win nationally by 9-10 points.  (he will be lucky to win at all)
2.  even a 9 point win isnt going to get him over the top in kansas, no matter who his running mate is.

I wasn't vouching as to the likelihood of the if-clause.  and I disagree with your second contention.  Obama is going to play extraordinarily well in relative terms in the middle of the country and in the West, to a lesser extent.

[bgwah]

This thread is a perfect example of what is wrong with this forum these days...