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« on: March 30, 2008, 03:28:04 PM »

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080330/ap_on_re_eu/vatican_muslims

Disappointing. I loved being the biggest religion in the world.  Sad
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« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2008, 03:40:04 PM »

WTF?

Roman Catholicism is a religion?
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« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2008, 04:11:02 PM »


Excuse me?
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« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2008, 04:21:35 PM »


Phil will you just calm down Tongue

Xahar is correct; Catholicsm is a branch of Christianity. It is not a stand alone religion. It is wrong for you to assume it is (and you're doing a disservice to non-Catholic Christians) . It is merely the largest church of the Christian faith.
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« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2008, 04:24:14 PM »


Phil will you just calm down Tongue

Xahar is correct; Catholicsm is a branch of Christianity. It is not a stand alone religion. It is wrong for you to assume it is.

Yes, it's a branch of Christianity but it is also a single religion with it's own doctrines, leadership, etc.
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« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2008, 04:25:43 PM »

No, it's a Christian denomination. If you say Catholicism is a religion you are saying Catholics aren't Christian.

Anyway this is a rather pointless comparison, Christianity is still the world's largest religion, and Catholicism still the world's largest denomination as I assume it's still larger than Sunni Islam.
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« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2008, 04:26:39 PM »


Phil will you just calm down Tongue

Xahar is correct; Catholicsm is a branch of Christianity. It is not a stand alone religion. It is wrong for you to assume it is.

Yes, it's a branch of Christianity but it is also a single religion with it's own doctrines, leadership, etc.

Er...no it's not Phil
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« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2008, 04:33:08 PM »


Phil will you just calm down Tongue

Xahar is correct; Catholicsm is a branch of Christianity. It is not a stand alone religion. It is wrong for you to assume it is.

Yes, it's a branch of Christianity but it is also a single religion with it's own doctrines, leadership, etc.

Er...no it's not Phil

Er...then argue with the countless people who keep the data and refer to Roman Catholicism as the "largest single religion."

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« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2008, 04:38:42 PM »

Er...then argue with the countless people who keep the data and refer to Roman Catholicism as the "largest single religion."

So your saying Catholicsm is a religion. Is Anglicanism a religion? Is Presbyterianism a religion?  No all three are part of the one bloody religion; Christianity, Phil.

As I've said before talking about Catholicism is a stand alone religion does a disservice to non-Catholic Christians who understand that they are part of a wide and varied faith.
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« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2008, 04:43:25 PM »

Er...then argue with the countless people who keep the data and refer to Roman Catholicism as the "largest single religion."

So your saying Catholicsm is a religion. Is Anglicanism a religion? Is Presbyterianism a religion?  No all three are part of the one bloody religion; Christianity, Phil.

As I've said before talking about Catholicism is a stand alone religion does a disservice to non-Catholic Christians who understand that they are part of a wide and varied faith.

Ok, you ignored how countless people disagree with you but whatever.

Yes, I believe Anglicanism, Presbyterianism, etc. are religions that are part of a larger faith community and the umbrella religion of Christianity.
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« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2008, 04:46:08 PM »

Oh, this is Sunni and Shia against Catholicism. So it's a stupid measure. Catholicism is still the world's largest religious denomination, outnumbering Sunnis about 1.1 billion to 900 million (last I saw), or else Christianity is the world's largest religion, outnumbering Islam about 2.3 billion to 1.1 billion.
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« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2008, 04:50:18 PM »

Oh, this is Sunni and Shia against Catholicism. So it's a stupid measure. Catholicism is still the world's largest religious denomination, outnumbering Sunnis about 1.1 billion to 900 million (last I saw), or else Christianity is the world's largest religion, outnumbering Islam about 2.3 billion to 1.1 billion.

Yeah, exactly what I said.
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« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2008, 04:50:27 PM »

Er...then argue with the countless people who keep the data and refer to Roman Catholicism as the "largest single religion."

So your saying Catholicsm is a religion. Is Anglicanism a religion? Is Presbyterianism a religion?  No all three are part of the one bloody religion; Christianity, Phil.

As I've said before talking about Catholicism is a stand alone religion does a disservice to non-Catholic Christians who understand that they are part of a wide and varied faith.

Ok, you ignored how countless people disagree with you but whatever.

Yes, I believe Anglicanism, Presbyterianism, etc. are religions that are part of a larger faith community and the umbrella religion of Christianity.

So they are religions that are part of another religion? What!?! They're denominations Phil
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« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2008, 04:52:59 PM »

Oh, this is Sunni and Shia against Catholicism. So it's a stupid measure. Catholicism is still the world's largest religious denomination, outnumbering Sunnis about 1.1 billion to 900 million (last I saw), or else Christianity is the world's largest religion, outnumbering Islam about 2.3 billion to 1.1 billion.

Yeah, exactly what I said.

I didn't notice that. Good news.

Er...then argue with the countless people who keep the data and refer to Roman Catholicism as the "largest single religion."

So your saying Catholicsm is a religion. Is Anglicanism a religion? Is Presbyterianism a religion?  No all three are part of the one bloody religion; Christianity, Phil.

As I've said before talking about Catholicism is a stand alone religion does a disservice to non-Catholic Christians who understand that they are part of a wide and varied faith.

Ok, you ignored how countless people disagree with you but whatever.

Yes, I believe Anglicanism, Presbyterianism, etc. are religions that are part of a larger faith community and the umbrella religion of Christianity.

So they are religions that are part of another religion? What!?! They're denominations Phil

Then explain to me why these denominations are analyzed as "single religions" for recording purposes.
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« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2008, 04:55:39 PM »

Then explain to me why these denominations are analyzed as "single religions" for recording purposes.

You answered your own question - for recording purposes only. In the same way the UK Census and the police have different ethnicity and religious labels. For recording purposes.

Catholicism is church within the Christian religion. Simple as that.

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« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2008, 04:58:35 PM »

It's the Catholic Church. It has a very Eurocentric Weltanschauung. It analyzes Christian denominations as religions but not Muslim deominations because Christianity is "important" enough to justify it while Islam is not.
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« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2008, 05:01:17 PM »

Then explain to me why these denominations are analyzed as "single religions" for recording purposes.

You answered your own question - for recording purposes only.


Why refer to it as a religion then?

I consider my Catholic church to be a religion with it's own beliefs, leadership, etc. within the larger faith of Christianity. Just because I consider myself Catholic doesn't mean I don't consider myself part of the larger Christian faith.
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« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2008, 05:03:29 PM »

Then explain to me why these denominations are analyzed as "single religions" for recording purposes.

You answered your own question - for recording purposes only.


Why refer to it as a religion then?

I consider my Catholic church to be a religion with it's own beliefs, leadership, etc. within the larger faith of Christianity. Just because I consider myself Catholic doesn't mean I don't consider myself part of the larger Christian faith.


So you are differentiating between two types of religion, which we can call the "greater religion" (Christianity), and the "lesser religion" (Catholicism). That makes sense, I guess. But shouldn't Islam be compared to the greater religion, rather than the lesser religion?
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« Reply #18 on: March 30, 2008, 05:04:20 PM »

A religoius argument turning into a semantics argument?  NEVER!
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« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2008, 05:06:25 PM »

Then explain to me why these denominations are analyzed as "single religions" for recording purposes.

You answered your own question - for recording purposes only.


Why refer to it as a religion then?

I consider my Catholic church to be a religion with it's own beliefs, leadership, etc. within the larger faith of Christianity. Just because I consider myself Catholic doesn't mean I don't consider myself part of the larger Christian faith.


So you are differentiating between two types of religion, which we can call the "greater religion" (Christianity), and the "lesser religion" (Catholicism). That makes sense, I guess. But shouldn't Islam be compared to the greater religion, rather than the lesser religion?

Good point. Im assuming your talking about the Abrahamic faiths as a whole?
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« Reply #20 on: March 30, 2008, 05:08:04 PM »

Then explain to me why these denominations are analyzed as "single religions" for recording purposes.

You answered your own question - for recording purposes only.


Why refer to it as a religion then?

I consider my Catholic church to be a religion with it's own beliefs, leadership, etc. within the larger faith of Christianity. Just because I consider myself Catholic doesn't mean I don't consider myself part of the larger Christian faith.


So you are differentiating between two types of religion, which we can call the "greater religion" (Christianity), and the "lesser religion" (Catholicism). That makes sense, I guess. But shouldn't Islam be compared to the greater religion, rather than the lesser religion?

I really don't care what it is being compared to.

A religoius argument turning into a semantics argument?  NEVER!

A libertarian laughing at the silly religious animals? NEVER!
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« Reply #21 on: March 30, 2008, 05:09:59 PM »

Then explain to me why these denominations are analyzed as "single religions" for recording purposes.

You answered your own question - for recording purposes only.


Why refer to it as a religion then?

I consider my Catholic church to be a religion with it's own beliefs, leadership, etc. within the larger faith of Christianity. Just because I consider myself Catholic doesn't mean I don't consider myself part of the larger Christian faith.


So you are differentiating between two types of religion, which we can call the "greater religion" (Christianity), and the "lesser religion" (Catholicism). That makes sense, I guess. But shouldn't Islam be compared to the greater religion, rather than the lesser religion?

I really don't care what it is being compared to.

What? You seem to be comparing it to Islam, which is apples and oranges.
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« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2008, 05:16:09 PM »

Then explain to me why these denominations are analyzed as "single religions" for recording purposes.

You answered your own question - for recording purposes only.


Why refer to it as a religion then?

I consider my Catholic church to be a religion with it's own beliefs, leadership, etc. within the larger faith of Christianity. Just because I consider myself Catholic doesn't mean I don't consider myself part of the larger Christian faith.


So you are differentiating between two types of religion, which we can call the "greater religion" (Christianity), and the "lesser religion" (Catholicism). That makes sense, I guess. But shouldn't Islam be compared to the greater religion, rather than the lesser religion?

I really don't care what it is being compared to.

What? You seem to be comparing it to Islam, which is apples and oranges.

Comparing what to Islam? The argument here has been about whether or not Catholicism is a "religion".
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« Reply #23 on: March 30, 2008, 05:22:18 PM »

This would be more news-worthy if it had read instead, 'Islam surpasses Christianity as World's Largest Religion'. 
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« Reply #24 on: March 30, 2008, 05:32:21 PM »

Yeah, you can't compare the Catholic Church to the Religion of Islam.  They are totally different levels. Catholicism is a denomination while Islam is a religion. Then again, one could argue that the biggest religion is the religion of Jehovah, which has 3.4 billion (50% of the population world-wide). The next biggest would probably be Confucianism, followed by Buddhism and Hinduism. With Judaism, that's 5.815 billion people. That leaves the next billion as Seculars and Pegans, which probably are about 500 million a peice. 
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