Opinion of Scoop Jackson

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

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[Albus Dumbledore]

So it's not a future picture of you realizing you've spent over half a decade posting obsessively about strip clubs/suburbs/anti-catholicism?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Don't know about him but I'd vote for J. William Fulbright over Scoop Jackson a million times.

Fulbright was openly racist and a longtime segregationist. He was also almost certainly an anti-semite.

[Sam Spade]

Don't know about him but I'd vote for J. William Fulbright over Scoop Jackson a million times.

Fulbright was openly racist and a longtime segregationist. He was also almost certainly an anti-semite.

O RLY?  This statement accurately describes one of my great-grandfathers as well, though that's really not surprising.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Don't know about him but I'd vote for J. William Fulbright over Scoop Jackson a million times.

Fulbright was openly racist and a longtime segregationist.

Well yes. But in the long run Jackson's policies would've caused a lot more death and suffering. (Vietnam)

He was also almost certainly an anti-semite.

Thinking it's not a good idea to give Israel a blank check to do whatever they want and support the unconditionally != anti-Semitism

[Albus Dumbledore]

Vietnam was winnable. It's just that LBJ focked it by micromanagement.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Vietnam was winnable. It's just that LBJ focked it by micromanagement.

Yes, yes it was.

[Хahar 🤔]

Vietnam was winnable. It's just that LBJ focked it by micromanagement.

Yes, yes it was.

No, it wasn't. Not with the lack of clear objectives.

[Boris]

Very positive, we need more Democrats like him.

if you adore irrationality, sure.

[CultureKing]

Normally I'd probably vote negative, but I had to vote positive just because he's a Washingtonian and anyone who produces this map is f**king awesome:

Agreed. What percentage did he get in that election, 80% of the vote?

[bgwah]

Agreed. What percentage did he get in that election, 80% of the vote?

82.43%
https://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/state.php?fips=53&year=1970&f=1&off=3

[HardRCafé]

Washington used to have Scoop Jackson and Dixy Lee Ray.  Now Washington has Patty Murray and Christine Gregoire.  This is not progress.

[dead0man]

Vietnam was winnable. It's just that LBJ focked it by micromanagement.

Yes, yes it was.

No, it wasn't. Not with the lack of clear objectives.

Yes it was.  It just would have cost to much in money, men and resect in the rest of the world (and would have likely lead to WWIII).

[Хahar 🤔]

Vietnam was winnable. It's just that LBJ focked it by micromanagement.

Yes, yes it was.

No, it wasn't. Not with the lack of clear objectives.

Yes it was.  It just would have cost to much in money, men and resect in the rest of the world (and would have likely lead to WWIII).

Well, I wouldn't really consider that "winning".

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Vietnam was winnable. It's just that LBJ focked it by micromanagement.

Yes, yes it was.

No, it wasn't. Not with the lack of clear objectives.

Yes it was.  It just would have cost to much in money, men and resect in the rest of the world (and would have likely lead to WWIII).

Well, I wouldn't really consider that "winning".

That isn't winning.  Winning would have been preventing Communism from spreading to South Vietnam; that could have been attained.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Preventing communism from spreading to South Vietnam = Not worth a single dead US soldier. No oppressive regime like South Vietnam is ever worth a single American life no matter what the alternative is. Diem and his gang should've just've been told to go to hell like NATO European allies did.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Preventing communism from spreading to South Vietnam = Not worth a single dead US soldier. No oppressive regime like South Vietnam is ever worth a single American life no matter what the alternative is. Diem and his gang should've just've been told to go to hell like NATO European allies did.

I'm guessing you don't think it was worth in Korea either?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Preventing communism from spreading to South Vietnam = Not worth a single dead US soldier. No oppressive regime like South Vietnam is ever worth a single American life no matter what the alternative is. Diem and his gang should've just've been told to go to hell like NATO European allies did.

I'm guessing you don't think it was worth in Korea either?

That was a UN-approved action against aggression by the north while Vietnam was just the US attempting to continue France's ridiculous colonial war.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Preventing communism from spreading to South Vietnam = Not worth a single dead US soldier. No oppressive regime like South Vietnam is ever worth a single American life no matter what the alternative is. Diem and his gang should've just've been told to go to hell like NATO European allies did.

I'm guessing you don't think it was worth in Korea either?

That was a UN-approved action against aggression by the north while Vietnam was just the US attempting to continue France's ridiculous colonial war.

We were attempting to preserve a non-Communist government, which is what mattered.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Preventing communism from spreading to South Vietnam = Not worth a single dead US soldier. No oppressive regime like South Vietnam is ever worth a single American life no matter what the alternative is. Diem and his gang should've just've been told to go to hell like NATO European allies did.

I'm guessing you don't think it was worth in Korea either?

That was a UN-approved action against aggression by the north while Vietnam was just the US attempting to continue France's ridiculous colonial war.

We were attempting to preserve a non-Communist government, which is what mattered.

OK, so lets force thousands of our citizens to go to a hell hole and likely die so we can prevent a despotic Communist government from replacing a despotic non-Communist government. Brilliant! Wonderful cause! Especially considering the despotic non-Communist government DID not survive and where was the stack of dominos that were going to fall?

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Preventing communism from spreading to South Vietnam = Not worth a single dead US soldier. No oppressive regime like South Vietnam is ever worth a single American life no matter what the alternative is. Diem and his gang should've just've been told to go to hell like NATO European allies did.

I'm guessing you don't think it was worth in Korea either?

That was a UN-approved action against aggression by the north while Vietnam was just the US attempting to continue France's ridiculous colonial war.

We were attempting to preserve a non-Communist government, which is what mattered.

OK, so lets force thousands of our citizens to go to a hell hole and likely die so we can prevent a despotic Communist government from replacing a despotic non-Communist government. Brilliant! Wonderful cause! Especially considering the despotic non-Communist government DID not survive and where was the stack of dominos that were going to fall?

If LBJ had not attempted to balance guns and butter, and had gone into the war full scale, fewer American lives would have been lost.

[Хahar 🤔]

Preventing communism from spreading to South Vietnam = Not worth a single dead US soldier. No oppressive regime like South Vietnam is ever worth a single American life no matter what the alternative is. Diem and his gang should've just've been told to go to hell like NATO European allies did.

I'm guessing you don't think it was worth in Korea either?

That was a UN-approved action against aggression by the north while Vietnam was just the US attempting to continue France's ridiculous colonial war.

We were attempting to preserve a non-Communist government, which is what mattered.

OK, so lets force thousands of our citizens to go to a hell hole and likely die so we can prevent a despotic Communist government from replacing a despotic non-Communist government. Brilliant! Wonderful cause! Especially considering the despotic non-Communist government DID not survive and where was the stack of dominos that were going to fall?

If LBJ had not attempted to balance guns and butter, and had gone into the war full scale, fewer American lives would have been lost.

But why go to war? You haven't answered that. The Vietnamese people clearly wanted Minh.

[War on Want]

Preventing communism from spreading to South Vietnam = Not worth a single dead US soldier. No oppressive regime like South Vietnam is ever worth a single American life no matter what the alternative is. Diem and his gang should've just've been told to go to hell like NATO European allies did.

I'm guessing you don't think it was worth in Korea either?

That was a UN-approved action against aggression by the north while Vietnam was just the US attempting to continue France's ridiculous colonial war.

We were attempting to preserve a non-Communist government, which is what mattered.

OK, so lets force thousands of our citizens to go to a hell hole and likely die so we can prevent a despotic Communist government from replacing a despotic non-Communist government. Brilliant! Wonderful cause! Especially considering the despotic non-Communist government DID not survive and where was the stack of dominos that were going to fall?

If LBJ had not attempted to balance guns and butter, and had gone into the war full scale, fewer American lives would have been lost.

But why go to war? You haven't answered that. The Vietnamese people clearly wanted Minh.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Preventing communism from spreading to South Vietnam = Not worth a single dead US soldier. No oppressive regime like South Vietnam is ever worth a single American life no matter what the alternative is. Diem and his gang should've just've been told to go to hell like NATO European allies did.

I'm guessing you don't think it was worth in Korea either?

That was a UN-approved action against aggression by the north while Vietnam was just the US attempting to continue France's ridiculous colonial war.

We were attempting to preserve a non-Communist government, which is what mattered.

OK, so lets force thousands of our citizens to go to a hell hole and likely die so we can prevent a despotic Communist government from replacing a despotic non-Communist government. Brilliant! Wonderful cause! Especially considering the despotic non-Communist government DID not survive and where was the stack of dominos that were going to fall?

If LBJ had not attempted to balance guns and butter, and had gone into the war full scale, fewer American lives would have been lost.

But why go to war? You haven't answered that. The Vietnamese people clearly wanted Minh.

Aside from the fact that they attacked us first, the Communists were never elected in South Vietnam.

[Хahar 🤔]

That's because there never were fair and free elections there.

And you still buy the Gulf of Tonkin incident? It was obviously faked.