attention whore thread: college selection

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Stony Brook. Odds are you'll drink the whole time and just drop out before graduating anyway so don't bother with the waste of money. And that's not an insult either, a majority of incoming college freshmen will NOT have graduated in 6 years (so for all the crap I get here, I still did better than half my incoming class.), so yeah it's a statistical fact, most people will not finish college so don't waste the money on some stupid private one.

[bullmoose88]

Interesting, I am quite familiar with both schools.

Stony Brook
Pro: Cheap, good academics for a state school, can be flexible about requirements
Con: High in Student unhappiness, suitcase school, Long Island, Lots of distribution requirements

Cornell:
Pro: Ithaca, High name recognition, Has a very large number of programs, Cheap close off campus housing
Con: Expensive

Doesn't cornell have a high unhappiness level, a high suicide rate, or is that due to too much pressure more than depression?

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Stony Brook. Odds are you'll drink the whole time and just drop out before graduating anyway so don't bother with the waste of money. And that's not an insult either, a majority of incoming college freshmen will NOT have graduated in 6 years (so for all the crap I get here, I still did better than half my incoming class.), so yeah it's a statistical fact, most people will not finish college so don't waste the money on some stupid private one.

Cornell really likes its students to graduate in 4 years. Stony Brook doesn't give a crap how long you take.

[© tweed]

Cornell bettered my financial package so that it would cost be approximately $6500 to attend, making it significantly more likely that I will go there.  (btw I'd be attending the School of Industrial and Labor Relations)

[jokerman]

Good lord, $6,500 to attend an Ivy-League school?  I wish I was a New Yorker.  Take the deal man.  If the gap between the two was $50,000, I'd choose Stony Brook myself, but this is a few thousand bucks, easily overcome by the added prestige and Ivy-League education adds to your resume.

[jokerman]

Stony Brook. Odds are you'll drink the whole time and just drop out before graduating anyway so don't bother with the waste of money. And that's not an insult either, a majority of incoming college freshmen will NOT have graduated in 6 years (so for all the crap I get here, I still did better than half my incoming class.), so yeah it's a statistical fact, most people will not finish college so don't waste the money on some stupid private one.

Worst advice I've seen yet in this thread.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

While Cornell ranks better than Stony Brook academically, the difference is probably less than you would think. Bullsh**t prestige and "connections" may be a different story.

In Cornell's favor, if you live off campus, the cost of living is relatively low, and so the difference in the cost of attendence is actually less than what you think it is.

[TeePee4Prez]

Cornell bettered my financial package so that it would cost be approximately $6500 to attend, making it significantly more likely that I will go there.  (btw I'd be attending the School of Industrial and Labor Relations)

That said, don't lose the scholarship.  What are the requirements for it?  If you do then you'll really be screwed.  Please remember the academic gap between Cornell and a lot of high schools is HUGE and if you went to an average to subpar HS, you'll really have to work your ass off freshman year to catch up to peers from wealthier/more prestigious districts or prep schools.  A lot of 18-19 year olds don't have the maturity and don't be insulted but based on some of your posts I don't think you do.  I sure as hell didn't either at your age.  I'm saying this because again I fell hard on my ass at Lehigh.  But $6500 over 4 years (am I wrong?) is not bad.  Does that include housing and food?  If it does than it's a hell of a deal.

[afleitch]

Great...more posts. Going to have to edit the audio commentary now

[YRABNNRM]

I probably would've gone to a SUNY school if I was doing it again.

Now that I'm here, I'm staying here though.

[afleitch]

I probably would've gone to a SUNY school if I was doing it again.

Now that I'm here, I'm staying here though.

For the record, what is a SUNY school?

[bullmoose88]

I probably would've gone to a SUNY school if I was doing it again.

Now that I'm here, I'm staying here though.

For the record, what is a SUNY school?

State University of New York.
(New York's Public College/Uni System)

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

I have a two friends at Cornell, and one says it's a pretty depressing place. The other transfered after first semester as he couldn't take it. He got depressed and lost tons of weight. I read the suicide and depression rate is one of the highest and Ithaca stays frozen 3/4 of the year. I know nothing about Stony Brook, though.

[Sensei]

I went to at a public institution in Florida for the same reasons Tweed would. I recommend it.

[Boris]

Where are you guys getting the info that Cornell has a high suicide rate? I did a cursory web search and found this MIT article from 2000:

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http://www-tech.mit.edu/V120/N6/comp6.6n.html

another article from April 2006 that shows the Cornell suicide rate well below the national average.

[ilikeverin]

Stony Brook. Odds are you'll drink the whole time and just drop out before graduating anyway so don't bother with the waste of money. And that's not an insult either, a majority of incoming college freshmen will NOT have graduated in 6 years (so for all the crap I get here, I still did better than half my incoming class.), so yeah it's a statistical fact, most people will not finish college so don't waste the money on some stupid private one.

Worst advice I've seen yet in this thread.

Agreed.

Tweed, I would say Stony Brook; Cornell is probably a bit too dour and engineeringy for you (but I'm not sure what you want to do).

[© tweed]

Stony Brook. Odds are you'll drink the whole time and just drop out before graduating anyway so don't bother with the waste of money. And that's not an insult either, a majority of incoming college freshmen will NOT have graduated in 6 years (so for all the crap I get here, I still did better than half my incoming class.), so yeah it's a statistical fact, most people will not finish college so don't waste the money on some stupid private one.

Worst advice I've seen yet in this thread.

Agreed.

Tweed, I would say Stony Brook; Cornell is probably a bit too dour and engineeringy for you (but I'm not sure what you want to do).

I would be attending the School of Industrial and Labor Relations which is pure social science (and is only about 800 students large)

[TeePee4Prez]

Stony Brook. Odds are you'll drink the whole time and just drop out before graduating anyway so don't bother with the waste of money. And that's not an insult either, a majority of incoming college freshmen will NOT have graduated in 6 years (so for all the crap I get here, I still did better than half my incoming class.), so yeah it's a statistical fact, most people will not finish college so don't waste the money on some stupid private one.

Worst advice I've seen yet in this thread.

Are you surprised?

Now that you have that scholarship, I'd say Cornell by a long shot.  I would have said Cornell anyway, but now that it's cheap, definitely go for it.  Names will get you far in life.

Uhh.. if you're a working class guy like me then.. no.  I would have been swamped in debt had I stayed at Lehigh with similar career prospects to what I have now.  Names are only good if you're already sitting at the table and you don't have to pay for it.

[ilikeverin]

Stony Brook. Odds are you'll drink the whole time and just drop out before graduating anyway so don't bother with the waste of money. And that's not an insult either, a majority of incoming college freshmen will NOT have graduated in 6 years (so for all the crap I get here, I still did better than half my incoming class.), so yeah it's a statistical fact, most people will not finish college so don't waste the money on some stupid private one.

Worst advice I've seen yet in this thread.

Agreed.

Tweed, I would say Stony Brook; Cornell is probably a bit too dour and engineeringy for you (but I'm not sure what you want to do).

I would be attending the School of Industrial and Labor Relations which is pure social science (and is only about 800 students large)

Oh, good.  Unusual program, from what I recall, but if it's what you're interested in it'll be a good thing.  Still, you'll be surrounded by lots of engineers... in the dorms, in the cafeteria halls, in the ceilings!  Not to mention... what if you decide you hate all the stupid labor unions and never want to talk about them again?  You'll need to transfer into Cornell's somewhat subpar College of Arts & Sciences or equivalent, filled with students who went to Cornell because it was the only Ivy they were accepted to.

Of course, all this is based on stereotypes, fearmongering, and dislike of stringent distribution requirements/core curricula (which meant I did no research of Cornell beyond the fact they like forcing students to take classes the students hate).  Really, neither of us should be posting these kind of threads at all, and deciding which college to go to based on Zen meditation or something.

[bullmoose88]

Where are you guys getting the info that Cornell has a high suicide rate? I did a cursory web search and found this MIT article from 2000:

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http://www-tech.mit.edu/V120/N6/comp6.6n.html

another article from April 2006 that shows the Cornell suicide rate well below the national average.

Perhaps the suicides tend to be gruesome given the nature of Cornell's campus...people jumping off bridges into gorges etc...thus you just hear about it from that school more.

[© tweed]

they aren't requiring me to take a foreign language nor really take any type of lab-science which is all I care about.

[Lief 🗽]

Do you want to go to graduate school or law/med school? If so, I'd go with the cheaper option, and then get thousands of dollars of debt when you go to grad school.

But Cornell is a really good school, and it would be hard to turn that down. Plus, Ithaca is amazing.

[© tweed]

Cornell bettered my financial package so that it would cost be approximately $6500 to attend, making it significantly more likely that I will go there.  (btw I'd be attending the School of Industrial and Labor Relations)

That said, don't lose the scholarship.  What are the requirements for it?  If you do then you'll really be screwed.  Please remember the academic gap between Cornell and a lot of high schools is HUGE and if you went to an average to subpar HS, you'll really have to work your ass off freshman year to catch up to peers from wealthier/more prestigious districts or prep schools.  A lot of 18-19 year olds don't have the maturity and don't be insulted but based on some of your posts I don't think you do.  I sure as hell didn't either at your age.  I'm saying this because again I fell hard on my ass at Lehigh.  But $6500 over 4 years (am I wrong?) is not bad.  Does that include housing and food?  If it does than it's a hell of a deal.

most of it is not scholarship but rather guaranteed financial aid.  the the 6500 figure does include room & board.

[© tweed]

it is going to be Cornell University School of Industrial and Labor Relations.

[Rin-chan]

it is going to be Cornell University School of Industrial and Labor Relations.

Yay!!!

Awesome!!

Rin-chan