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Question: What should be the penalty of abortion under typical circumstances (No rape, No immediate threat to life, but would permanently damage the abortive mother in some tangible way)
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No Penalty.
 
#2
A fine, some professional discipline, maybe some time in the county jail. A slap on the wrist. Abortion should be treated like any other petty and dumb thing like fighting, speeding and ripping off $100.
 
#3
A Hefty Fine...some prison, just a couple of years though...abortion should be treated like a drug or sex crime or any other public order issue.
 
#4
A long time in jail... not life. Abortion should be treated like more common violent crimes than what results in someone's death on purpose.
 
#5
Life Imprisonment. Abortion isn't exactly murder, but it's right next to it or homicide statutes should be amended to make the definition of "person" any human chemical reaction caused by the union of One Egg and One Sperm, but I don&#
 
#6
Abortion is Murder. The Death Penalty isn't. I'll go from there.
 
#7
Abortion is an especially heinous crime that even the Death Penalty cannot give fair justice for.  I'm thinking torture, mutiliation, you know...something that may or may not lead to death for the convict, but would be worse than death.
 
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« on: April 23, 2008, 11:16:55 AM »

Pick your poison. The 3rd-to-bottom option says as an alternative that abortion is murder, but you don't believe in the death penalty.
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« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2008, 11:23:07 AM »

No penalty.

We should offer incentives for women not to have abortions, but it should still be their choice.
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« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2008, 11:27:24 AM »

No penalty.

We should offer incentives for women not to have abortions, but it should still be their choice.

Told you it was horribly flawed. Thanks for taking the poll.
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« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2008, 02:06:15 PM »

At least this one is better.
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« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2008, 02:41:33 PM »

No penalty
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« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2008, 03:23:35 PM »

That was easy. I only had to read one of the options.
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« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2008, 05:18:36 PM »

None.

The way to prevent abortion is through early sex education and available contraceptives.  Jailing women who have one isn't going to bring the rate down.
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« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2008, 05:24:34 PM »

I voted the option about being against the Death Penalty but against abortion

If we illegalize abortions, a lot of the time the mother will get her due having a backdoor abortion.  If someone is found guilty of having an abortion, it should constitute 1st degree murder, you killed someone w/premeditation.  I think the amount of these cases would not be enough to completly overcrowd prisons.  The pro-life organization is becoming the most successful campaign in terms of changing opinions ever.  Let people convicted of victimless crimes out, not murderers
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« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2008, 05:25:48 PM »

Option uno.
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« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2008, 05:27:17 PM »

The pro-life organization is becoming the most successful campaign in terms of changing opinions ever.

Um, what?
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« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2008, 05:31:21 PM »

The pro-life organization is becoming the most successful campaign in terms of changing opinions ever.

Um, what?
Take a look at the statistics on abortions, the rate is dropping drastically
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« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2008, 05:34:54 PM »

The pro-life organization is becoming the most successful campaign in terms of changing opinions ever.

Um, what?
Take a look at the statistics on abortions, the rate is dropping drastically
That's thanks to sex education and greater availability of contraceptives, not because people are just up and becoming pro-life.
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« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2008, 05:39:47 PM »

The pro-life organization is becoming the most successful campaign in terms of changing opinions ever.

Um, what?
Take a look at the statistics on abortions, the rate is dropping drastically
That's thanks to sex education and greater availability of contraceptives, not because people are just up and becoming pro-life.
That's a debate for another thread I guess, the country is certainly moving pro-life.  I've also thought that in 20 years the country will do a 180 on gay marriage and abortion, and then some.  The country will be 70% in favor of gay marriage and 70% opposed to abortion.
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« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2008, 11:51:41 PM »

Ask Tom Coburn and Gary North.  Of course, in Coburn's defense, he only believes the abortionist should be executed.  North wants to see the abortionist, mother and any other facilitators put to death.  Preferably by stoning.

Yes.  I kid you not.
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« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2008, 01:42:10 AM »

Death penalty.
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« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2008, 10:57:47 AM »


For the abortive women, the abortionist or just everyone involved?
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« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2008, 11:33:46 AM »

This may actually be the worse abortion poll I've ever seen.
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« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2008, 11:41:15 AM »

No penalty.
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« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2008, 05:50:20 PM »

The pro-life organization is becoming the most successful campaign in terms of changing opinions ever.

Um, what?
Take a look at the statistics on abortions, the rate is dropping drastically
That's thanks to sex education and greater availability of contraceptives, not because people are just up and becoming pro-life.
That's a debate for another thread I guess, the country is certainly moving pro-life.  I've also thought that in 20 years the country will do a 180 on gay marriage and abortion, and then some.  The country will be 70% in favor of gay marriage and 70% opposed to abortion.

Not Really- http://www.pollingreport.com/abortion.htm. In the last twelve years, support for aborion has collapsed from 58% to 57% Tongue...maybe a plurality will be pro-life by 2100.

...and how come there are countries that are like 80% pro-life and have 25% percent more abortions?
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« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2008, 06:03:42 PM »

Abortion is not a major issue for me but I notice that the question here is quite flawed.

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Since when does a typical abortion involve a situation in which a the abortive mother would be permanently damaged in some way if the abortion did not take place?
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« Reply #20 on: April 24, 2008, 10:57:04 PM »

Abortion is not a major issue for me but I notice that the question here is quite flawed.

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Since when does a typical abortion involve a situation in which a the abortive mother would be permanently damaged in some way if the abortion did not take place?
The pregnancy was wanted, but other things came up that would make her unable to care for the child and difficult for her to put the child up for adoption or for the child to be adopted. OR The pregnancy is so unwanted, she might contemplate suicide or be unable to take care of herself or have other children if she brought the child to term.
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« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2008, 08:58:44 AM »

The Pro-lifers are actually across the board on this- what are some reasons for this?
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« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2008, 12:52:33 PM »

Abortion is not a major issue for me but I notice that the question here is quite flawed.

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Since when does a typical abortion involve a situation in which a the abortive mother would be permanently damaged in some way if the abortion did not take place?
The pregnancy was wanted, but other things came up that would make her unable to care for the child and difficult for her to put the child up for adoption or for the child to be adopted. OR The pregnancy is so unwanted, she might contemplate suicide or be unable to take care of herself or have other children if she brought the child to term.

And since when are those situations typical?  Also, while I'll certainly grant that carrying a child to term and then giving it up for adoption because the mother is either unwilling or unable to care for it after birth will cause a considerable disruption in that mother's life, it doesn't normally create permanent damage.
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« Reply #23 on: April 25, 2008, 04:40:38 PM »

Abortion is not a major issue for me but I notice that the question here is quite flawed.

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Since when does a typical abortion involve a situation in which a the abortive mother would be permanently damaged in some way if the abortion did not take place?
The pregnancy was wanted, but other things came up that would make her unable to care for the child and difficult for her to put the child up for adoption or for the child to be adopted. OR The pregnancy is so unwanted, she might contemplate suicide or be unable to take care of herself or have other children if she brought the child to term.

And since when are those situations typical?  Also, while I'll certainly grant that carrying a child to term and then giving it up for adoption because the mother is either unwilling or unable to care for it after birth will cause a considerable disruption in that mother's life, it doesn't normally create permanent damage.

Well, the child may never be adopted and sometimes it does cause psychosis to carry a child to term and give it up on the spot. Then again, there are open adoptions and that lowers these incidents.
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« Reply #24 on: April 25, 2008, 04:50:53 PM »

The Pro-lifers are actually across the board on this- what are some reasons for this?
The question is, well, flawed and confusing
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