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Sam Spade
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« Reply #25 on: May 23, 2008, 10:22:11 PM »


It's his new schtick instead of Hillary!
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« Reply #26 on: May 23, 2008, 10:27:36 PM »

Nothing suprises me anymore.
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« Reply #27 on: May 23, 2008, 11:00:10 PM »

Okay, I feel kind of bad for jumping on this. I'll be honest, when I first heard about it, I was skeptical; how bad could it be? Then I watched the video and was horrified, and a bit more to learn that she'd said basically the exact same lines back in March. So, while I suppose I should be giving the benefit of the doubt, and I now am, this isn't jumping on her. The negative reaction was a honest first impression.

And I think that explains why the media has gone all over this. A lot of people's first view will see it as Clinton suggesting that something untoward will happen to Obama, including probably many of those who put it on air. And I don't think you have to prefer Obama for that to be the case. Certainly the most reasonable of the pro-Clinton Democratic sites, myDD, is not all that happy with her about this (understatement).

I have to disagree. Look at how easily this thing flows through the national media. People who put it on the air or who write about it online get exactly the reactions they are looking for. It's so easy to plug into because there's this exaggerated notion of Hillary already out there about who she is; and people are a lot less resistant to believing horrible things about her. Even the way you were presented it originally was filtered; 99.5% of the interview with the Argus Leader, including the portions where she's talking about water policy, are filtered out. You were told to look out specifically for the RFK assasination remark.

In any case, MyDD is better described as highly divided than pro-Clinton. It's inaccurate to call it a "reasonable" site, because most people there are hacks for one side or the other; any appearance of reasonability comes out of the even mix of the two sides Smiley.
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« Reply #28 on: May 23, 2008, 11:07:57 PM »

FoxNews isn't covering it (on TV). MSNBC is treating it like she is the devil. CNN is basically just covering the event and that there is some outrage. I think all that adds up to it being a non-story next week. We'll see.
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« Reply #29 on: May 23, 2008, 11:11:18 PM »

FoxNews isn't covering it (on TV).

No surprise there. Fox News went from being extremely anti-Hillary to extremely pro-Hillary as soon as Obama became the frontrunner. Now they spend all day smearing him instead of Hillary.

MSNBC is treating it like she is the devil. CNN is basically just covering the event and that there is some outrage. I think all that adds up to it being a non-story next week. We'll see.

It's still going to be a story, but it will largely blow ever by Memorial Day.
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« Reply #30 on: May 23, 2008, 11:28:31 PM »

It's a testament to how long and arduous this campaign is, to have someone as savvy and intelligent as Hillary Clinton say something so overwhelmingly stupid.

I think actual basis for the comment, her husband won the nomination in June, RFK was still running in June (had he not been killed) it would have gone well beyond that. But slipping the word "assassination" was just so f**king dense.
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« Reply #31 on: May 23, 2008, 11:38:40 PM »

It's a testament to how long and arduous this campaign is, to have someone as savvy and intelligent as Hillary Clinton say something so overwhelmingly stupid.

I think actual basis for the comment, her husband won the nomination in June, RFK was still running in June (had he not been killed) it would have gone well beyond that. But slipping the word "assassination" was just so f**king dense.

Yeah but the only reason anyone remembers that RFK was still in the race in June was his assassination.

RFK, Jr. has issued a statement:

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« Reply #32 on: May 24, 2008, 12:10:27 AM »

You people are just ing stupid. This finalized my decision to leave this horrible website. If anyone can twist this to mean anything other than the fact that RFK was still running for President in June, you're just stupid, partisan hacks.

Who are you?

Who cares?  Bye bye.
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« Reply #33 on: May 24, 2008, 12:13:32 AM »

My dislike for the Kennedy's is no secret, but come on woman, this was low.
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« Reply #34 on: May 24, 2008, 12:23:44 AM »

I think it was calculated but I don't think it's that horrible.  Just to remind voters and superdelegates that youthful idealism doesn't always work out, maybe make them more hesitant about throwing their weight to Obama.

It was very expertly brought in.  And now Clinton's public apology on the issue makes her comment get even more news coverage.
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« Reply #35 on: May 24, 2008, 02:14:59 AM »

I think it was calculated but I don't think it's that horrible.  Just to remind voters and superdelegates that youthful idealism doesn't always work out, maybe make them more hesitant about throwing their weight to Obama.

It was very expertly brought in.  And now Clinton's public apology on the issue makes her comment get even more news coverage.

Huh? This doesn't make much sense.
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« Reply #36 on: May 24, 2008, 03:04:12 AM »

Somehow I do not find it so hard to believe that Mrs. Clinton may have fantasized about the potential of assassination of our man Obama - after all he is more likely to be assassinated than any candidate of the last 30 years or so.  These fantasies most likely led to this gaff.  Oh well, it might be a nail in her coffin.
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« Reply #37 on: May 24, 2008, 03:08:23 AM »

Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman were murdered in June...

... in California...

Holy sh**t, I think she's onto something.
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« Reply #38 on: May 24, 2008, 06:28:55 AM »

link

Now there is a headline you only see once a blue moon

"Clinton apologies..."
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« Reply #39 on: May 24, 2008, 06:34:53 AM »

it was an unfortunate comment and obviously she shouldnt have said it.  but it is also one of those things that looks and sounds worse than it is.

im not one to get offended by statements of historical fact, unlike the typical obama supporter, who has no use for that kind of thing.  jesse jackson won the sc primary.  and unfortunately rfk was killed in june of 68.  wring your hands, doesnt make it any less true.

by the way, it is worth noting that robert kennedy jr. has defended clinton.
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« Reply #40 on: May 24, 2008, 06:41:40 AM »

The only explantion is alcohol.
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« Reply #41 on: May 24, 2008, 07:00:41 AM »


but that would be true for most of her statements in the last couple of weeks. Smiley
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« Reply #42 on: May 24, 2008, 07:12:27 AM »

Hillary Clinton explaining staying in the race to the Sioux Falls Argus Leader:

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Ignoring momentarily that Clinton I had a clear path to the nomination, the second statement is...inopportune.
I'd need a video link to judge this. It sort of depends on how the second sentence was stressed.
Mind you, not that it matters. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt and not believe she's planning to have Obama assassinated, no matter how she said it.
As to what I believe she actually meant - yeah well, primaries were held a little later back in 1992, weren't they? Silly spin.
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« Reply #43 on: May 24, 2008, 07:29:07 AM »

She clearly showed a lack of judgment there, no doubt about it, but have you seen the look on her face lately? The nomination process, not to mention her imminent failure to win it, has completely worn her out. Don't be surprised if she starts making more gaffes until she finally decides to call it quits (and retire to the Senate).
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« Reply #44 on: May 24, 2008, 08:03:33 AM »

OH, THE feigned OUTRAGE!!!
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« Reply #45 on: May 24, 2008, 08:08:32 AM »
« Edited: May 24, 2008, 09:22:49 AM by nyquil_man »

im not one to get offended by statements of historical fact, unlike the typical obama supporter, who has no use for that kind of thing.  jesse jackson won the sc primary.  and unfortunately rfk was killed in june of 68.  wring your hands, doesnt make it any less true.

I'm not bothered so much by the "statements of historical fact" as I am by the fact that they 1. Do nothing to back up her claim and 2. Gloss over the whole truth.

Yes, Jesse Jackson won South Carolina. He also won Michigan in a competitive race, something neither Senator Obama nor Senator Clinton have demonstrated they're capable of doing.

But enough fun facts. On to the boring facts.

As others have noted on this thread, Bill Clinton had a wide delegate lead well before California and had been the frontrunner for at least two months prior to June.

The comparison to 1968 is hardly apt either; the primary system as we think of it today didn't even exist at the time; only 13 states voted - all between March and June. For all intents and purposes, they were pointless affairs; the eventual nominee (Humphrey) didn't run in a single primary and won almost entirely because of the backing of the party bosses who still ran the convention at the time.

RFK wasn't even the frontrunner in June; he was trailing Humphrey badly in the delegate count. That's why he said "Now it's on to Chicago and let's win there" in his CA victory speech; he was in for an uphill fight to win the nomination.

If there's a primary battle that resembles 2008 more than any other, it's probably the 1976 Republican nomination fight between Ford and Reagan. But in order to make that comparison, Senator Clinton would have to cast herself in the role of Ronald Reagan - hardly a good idea for a Democrat, as Senator Obama learned back in January.
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« Reply #46 on: May 24, 2008, 08:47:17 AM »
« Edited: May 24, 2008, 08:49:05 AM by Beet »


KO is a clown. It sounds like he broke his pencil when he was going "You! You!"

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No, that argument makes NO sense because she doesn't really have a significant chance at winning the nomination. It's funny how those who deign to give her "simple" advice come up with even more asinine suggestions. It makes one wonder how well most of her critics would do in her shoes. I'm guessing not very well.

The historical analogies are more appropriate.
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« Reply #47 on: May 24, 2008, 08:54:03 AM »

It makes one wonder how well most of her critics would do in her shoes. I'm guessing not very well.

That's an easy one; they'd have swallowed the multi-million dollar debt and dropped out a long time ago.
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« Reply #48 on: May 24, 2008, 08:56:48 AM »

It makes one wonder how well most of her critics would do in her shoes. I'm guessing not very well.

That's an easy one; they'd have swallowed the multi-million dollar debt and dropped out a long time ago.

Yes, I kind of anticipated that answer, but I meant assuming she decides to stay in. Smiley
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« Reply #49 on: May 24, 2008, 08:58:16 AM »

Oh noes!!! Another MAJOR SCANDAL!!! As if Obama's pro-al Qaeda pastor, McCain's pro-Hitler pastor and Hillary Clinton's lies about almost having died in Bosnia weren't enough... now she's threatening Obama with assassination! I think the time has come for a fresh start... Obama, Clinton, and McCain should all better drop out of the race. Or even better: The Democrats and the Republicans should disband themselves.

At least they should hold another Democratic primary debate... this time centered on Bobby Kennedy's assassination and the implications it bears for the 2008 election.
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