KY: Rasmussen: McCain +25 over Obama, Clinton +9 over McCain

[Alcon]

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[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

Ha. Clinton supporters are really making the Dems sorry she lost the nomination. Kentucky could have been a battleground!

[Josh/Devilman88]

Ha. Clinton supporters are really making the Dems sorry she lost the nomination. Kentucky could have been a battleground!

But look at the state that Obama put in play/somewhat play and look at the state Clinton put in play/somewhat play.

[War on Want]

Ha. Clinton supporters are really making the Dems sorry she lost the nomination. Kentucky could have been a battleground!

Clinton is really loosing by 9 points. It is not a battleground at all.

[Franzl]

Ha. Clinton supporters are really making the Dems sorry she lost the nomination. Kentucky could have been a battleground!

How is McCain +9 in Kentucky a battleground, while other states like Virginia, or Montana show similar leads for McCain, where you say that only hacks would consider them competitive?

[Joe Republic]

Ha. Clinton supporters are really making the Dems sorry she lost the nomination. Kentucky could have been a battleground!

How is McCain +9 in Kentucky a battleground, while other states like Virginia, or Montana show similar leads for McCain, where you say that only hacks would consider them competitive?

This poll shows McCain -9 against Clinton, not +9.

[jesmo]

Ha. Clinton supporters are really making the Dems sorry she lost the nomination. Kentucky could have been a battleground!

How is McCain +9 in Kentucky a battleground, while other states like Virginia, or Montana show similar leads for McCain, where you say that only hacks would consider them competitive?

This poll shows McCain -9 against Clinton, not +9.

Hillary would have won the election easily.... 40 of the 50 states!

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

Ha. Clinton supporters are really making the Dems sorry she lost the nomination. Kentucky could have been a battleground!

How is McCain +9 in Kentucky a battleground, while other states like Virginia, or Montana show similar leads for McCain, where you say that only hacks would consider them competitive?

O..k...  So... I guess it was a safe Clinton state that the Dems threw away.... that makes it... better?

[Josh/Devilman88]

Ha. Clinton supporters are really making the Dems sorry she lost the nomination. Kentucky could have been a battleground!

How is McCain +9 in Kentucky a battleground, while other states like Virginia, or Montana show similar leads for McCain, where you say that only hacks would consider them competitive?

It is the Republican/Clinton Math. For say, Obama is polling 6% down in NC... but NC is a safe Republican state, but Clinton is polling 9% down in KY and KY is a battleground state! Please...

[Alcon]

Not to interrupt the "the Democrats threw away a safe state!" fun, but the previous McCain/Clinton match-ups were:

5/8: McCain +12
4/12: McCain +2
3/15: McCain +10
2/27: McCain +9
2/5: McCain +10

Could this maybe indicate that this poll is a blip, or Clinton's being the underdog in this race may be benefiting her here in a way that we wouldn't be seeing if she were the nominee?  And this was, keep in mind, mere days after her massive primary win.

Especially since this is the first Rassy poll, we may also have pollster hijinx going on here.

But, anyway, carry on.

[jesmo]

Not to interrupt the "the Democrats threw away a safe state!" fun, but the previous McCain/Clinton match-ups were:

5/8: McCain +12
4/12: McCain +2
3/15: McCain +10
2/27: McCain +9
2/5: McCain +10

Could this maybe indicate that this poll is a blip, or Clinton's being the underdog in this race may be benefiting here in a way that we wouldn't be seeing if she were the nominee?

Kentucky residents saw through the evils of Obama and McVain.

[Josh/Devilman88]

Not to interrupt the "the Democrats threw away a safe state!" fun, but the previous McCain/Clinton match-ups were:

5/8: McCain +12
4/12: McCain +2
3/15: McCain +10
2/27: McCain +9
2/5: McCain +10

Could this maybe indicate that this poll is a blip, or Clinton's being the underdog in this race may be benefiting here in a way that we wouldn't be seeing if she were the nominee?

Clinton wouldn't have won KY at all. Maybe make it close, but that is it.

[Josh/Devilman88]

Not to interrupt the "the Democrats threw away a safe state!" fun, but the previous McCain/Clinton match-ups were:

5/8: McCain +12
4/12: McCain +2
3/15: McCain +10
2/27: McCain +9
2/5: McCain +10

Could this maybe indicate that this poll is a blip, or Clinton's being the underdog in this race may be benefiting here in a way that we wouldn't be seeing if she were the nominee?

Kentucky residents saw through the evils of Obama and McVain.

Or maybe it that the people in Kentucky see a black man vs an Old man. THen look and Clinton and see Bill.

[Franzl]

Ha. Clinton supporters are really making the Dems sorry she lost the nomination. Kentucky could have been a battleground!

How is McCain +9 in Kentucky a battleground, while other states like Virginia, or Montana show similar leads for McCain, where you say that only hacks would consider them competitive?

This poll shows McCain -9 against Clinton, not +9.

Oops...happens to me a lot...sorry then.

In that case, I doubt the numbers, actually. Why should there be such a sudden swing to Clinton? Maybe temporary due to her campaigning there?

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

Could this maybe indicate that this poll is a blip, or Clinton's being the underdog in this race may be benefiting her here in a way that we wouldn't be seeing if she were the nominee? 

Agreed, but it is still fun

I can't tell you how much of a kick I would get out of McCain winning in November and the exit polls showing that Hillary would have won the election easily if they had picked her over Obama.  Maybe it won't happen, but I can't help but smile after thinking about it.

[Aizen]

No way does Hillary go from losing Kentucky decisively to winning it decisively. Sorry, but something isn't right here.

That said, it is true she appears to be the stronger GE candidate. I'm not oblivious to that. But it was only relatively recently she started polling so well. She used to poll horrendously to where Obama was the undisputed stronger GE candidate. In fact, it was pretty much too late when her polling improved. So I don't know why Hillary is surging in the polls when she's pretty much finished but it wasn't like this before.

[jesmo]

No way dos Hillary go from losing Kentucky decisively to winning it decisively. Sorry, but something isn't right here.

That said, it is true she appears to be the stronger GE candidate. I'm not oblivious to that. But it was only relatively recently she started polling so well. She used to poll horrendously to where Obama was the undisputed stronger GE candidate. In fact, it was pretty much too late when her polling improved. So I don't know why Hillary is surging in the polls when she's pretty much finished but it wasn't like this before.

Ugh, I am visiting Colorado in a few weeks, for about 6 weeks.. Yuck, and people like you are there.

[Josh/Devilman88]

No way dos Hillary go from losing Kentucky decisively to winning it decisively. Sorry, but something isn't right here.

That said, it is true she appears to be the stronger GE candidate. I'm not oblivious to that. But it was only relatively recently she started polling so well. She used to poll horrendously to where Obama was the undisputed stronger GE candidate. In fact, it was pretty much too late when her polling improved. So I don't know why Hillary is surging in the polls when she's pretty much finished but it wasn't like this before.

Yea it like the poll show Clinton winning NC by 6 when all the others showed McCain winning by 10% or more.

[Democratic Hawk]

All this tells me is that many KY 'Democrats' are either a spiteful bunch, at best, or a racist bunch, at worst

Many polls seem to be showing that Obama supporters are certainly more willing to unite for the good of their party and their country, irrespective of who the nominee is, than Clinton's are. Disgusting really when you consider only Obama has a fair path to the nomination

Dave

[NOVA Green]

All this tells me is that many KY 'Democrats' are either a spiteful bunch, at best, or a racist bunch, at worst

I'm not a big fan of the "Obama lost KY because of race analysis".... even if you look at the exit polls and say that 20% of KY voters thought race was a major factor (although there are still multiple ways to interpret that), Hillary still would have won by a significant margin.

I think there is more to this "anti-elitist" theory of KY voters. How Hillary was able to position herself as such is a fascinating question, although I think there are some other threads that have debated this more extensively.

I'm still not sure how accurate this poll is though, it does seem like a potential outlier compared to other recent KY matchup polls. If true, this does indicate major softness amongst McCain's supporters in this region as the dynamics of the race change and the Dems consolidate their base.

[Flying Dog]

She'd win Kentucky and lose Oregon, Washington and Wisconsin in the process. She'd also lose any chance of picking up Colorado, Virginia, New Mexico and North Carolina.

[© tweed]

I'm not a big fan of the "Obama lost KY because of race analysis".... even if you look at the exit polls and say that 20% of KY voters thought race was a major factor (although there are still multiple ways to interpret that), Hillary still would have won by a significant margin.

the exit polls tell you that 20% were willing to admit that race was a significant factor.  the real percentage is, of course, far higher.

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

Obama supporters are certainly more willing to unite for the good of their party and their country, irrespective of who the nominee is, than Clinton's are.

I'm sorry, are you new to the forum?

[Democratic Hawk]

All this tells me is that many KY 'Democrats' are either a spiteful bunch, at best, or a racist bunch, at worst

I'm not a big fan of the "Obama lost KY because of race analysis".... even if you look at the exit polls and say that 20% of KY voters thought race was a major factor (although there are still multiple ways to interpret that), Hillary still would have won by a significant margin.

Here is my understanding of what has been happening (from another thread):

Much of the problem Obama has had with working class Democrats, especially in Appalachia, is that they aren't so much 'visionary' in their political view-point, they could be said to be of a more 'substantialist' view-point and, IMO, good a campaign Obama has waged this primary cycle, these voters need to see more policy substance from Obama. They need to be sure that Obama is every bit as much for their interests as Clinton, who face it is no more culturally populist then he is

Bottom-line is that they trust Clinton more on the economy and quality of life issues, like healthcare; while Iraq may not be of such primary importance to these voters; and this may well explain why Obama has been unable to build on the breakthrough he achieved among Clinton's base in Wisconsin

Just because race was not a factor in the Democratic primary, it's plausible that base spite and prejudice could be working against Obama in the general

Polls suggest that Obama's base would be more solidly for Clinton as the nominee than hers would be for Obama, which is disgusting when you consider only Obama has a fair path to the nomination. That's the point I'm making

Dave

[Gustaf]

All this tells me is that many KY 'Democrats' are either a spiteful bunch, at best, or a racist bunch, at worst

I'm not a big fan of the "Obama lost KY because of race analysis".... even if you look at the exit polls and say that 20% of KY voters thought race was a major factor (although there are still multiple ways to interpret that), Hillary still would have won by a significant margin.

Here is my understanding of what has been happening (from another thread):

Much of the problem Obama has had with working class Democrats, especially in Appalachia, is that they aren't so much 'visionary' in their political view-point, they could be said to be of a more 'substantialist' view-point and, IMO, good a campaign Obama has waged this primary cycle, these voters need to see more policy substance from Obama. They need to be sure that Obama is every bit as much for their interests as Clinton, who face it is no more culturally populist then he is

Bottom-line is that they trust Clinton more on the economy and quality of life issues, like healthcare; while Iraq may not be of such primary importance to these voters; and this may well explain why Obama has been unable to build on the breakthrough he achieved among Clinton's base in Wisconsin

Just because race was not a factor in the Democratic primary, it's plausible that base spite and prejudice could be working against Obama in the general

Polls suggest that Obama's base would be more solidly for Clinton as the nominee than hers would be for Obama, which is disgusting when you consider only Obama has a fair path to the nomination. That's the point I'm making

Dave

So you seriously consider it "disgusting" that voters do not support your preferred candidate? I would consider that a pretty undemocratic and condescending view. One of the points of democracy is that people can decide for themselves who to vote for, without other people telling them they're disgusting for doing it.